Posted on 07/07/2008 8:16:52 PM PDT by markomalley
If evidence showed that allowing gays and lesbians to serve is likely to pose significant risk to morale, good order, discipline or cohesion, would they tell us?
“Haven’t homosexuals been in the military forever?”
Being free to flaunt it is quite different. And like my husband says “if they can’t tell, I can pretend none of the dudes I have to shower with while deployed are gay”. “As soon as I know they are, I’m not getting in the same shower or sleeping quarters”.
So your husband has to lie to serve with homosexuals, but if he has to admit the truth he can’t serve? Interesting.
“If evidence showed that allowing gays and lesbians to serve is likely to pose significant risk to morale, good order, discipline or cohesion, would they tell us?”
And I doubt the “evidence” gathered that says it hasn’t posed a risk to morale and cohesion in Britain and Israel is coming from anonymous polling of the troops. Somehow I suspect it is coming from a few generals at the top who haven’t bothered to take a survey of all the troops and how it really affects them.
Not very likely, unless you're a junkie.
“So your husband has to lie to serve with homosexuals, but if he has to admit the truth he can’t serve? Interesting.”
What the hell are you going on about? Knowing that there might be a gay guy in your unit but there also might not be, at-least prevents the extreme uncomfortableness that would be there if you knew someone was. I was in the AF and had to shower with a bunch of women in Basic. Since I didn’t know that any of them were lesbos, I could just get in there and get out and not have to worry about it. If I had known one was, I would not have felt comfortable at all showering with her.
I know several ex-sailors who said life got very complicated when they put women on ships. We don’t know how it’s affected combat readiness because we haven’t been tested. Some famous general said “Everything is theoretical until the shooting starts.” Okay, maybe I said it, but the point is training and maneuvers aren’t the real thing. Social experimentation with our military right now would be suicidal.
Yep.
No women in the military, either.
Otherwise you are introducing sexual politics at every level, promotion, demotion, morale. . .
That’s how I see it.
We need the best military we can possibly achieve. It is a critical issue, more important than the price of gas.
When I was in Afghanistan, no one I knew wanted to take a shower with a known homosexual in the area. There’s just something creepy about them being in a communal shower with the rest of us.
Are those guys French?
“Yep.
No women in the military, either.
Otherwise you are introducing sexual politics at every level, promotion, demotion, morale. . .
That’s how I see it.”
And when we go to this all male military, will we not allow the men to have wives since their wives might cheat on them with other men in the military? I can’t believe you can actually believe women shouldn’t be allowed in the military as if it’s the same as having gays openly serve. I’m not for them in all combat roles, but good grief!....not allow them to serve at any level?
I served 6 years and I certainly was professional enough to not let myself get involved in sexual politics regarding promotion or anything else. Normal men do not seem to have a problem with women or feel uncomfortable around them. They do seem to have a problem with having to share close quarters with gay men. I question the heterosexuality of any man who says he would have no problem with showering with a guy he knows is gay. That is just disgusting.
I had to laugh the other day I heard on NPR radio a doctor who was explaining that the rise in MRSA “super-staff” infection could NOT be due to gays high use of antibiotics for infections when their immune systems are compromised, (the staff adapting so it is not susceptible to known antibiotics anymore) then he said the best way to avoid contracting MSRA
was good hygiene, like wash your hands after you go to the bathroom. LIKE GAY SEX HAS ANY POSSIBLE LINK TO GOOD HYGIENE! The gay lifestyle is not a healthy lifestyle.
Some scenarios I envision re: female troops (by troops I mean in the bunkers, in the battleship, in the basic training, etc., to be clear).
Drill sergeant Man takes a liking to Private Woman. Special treatment ensues.
Drill sergeant Woman takes a liking to Private Man. Special treatment ensues.
Drill Sergeant Man likes Private Woman, who spurns him. Special (bad) treatment ensues.
Vice versa, Drill Sergeant Woman likes Private Man, who spurns her. Special (bad) treatment ensues.
Promotion time! What must the women in the corps due to advance their cause?
What punishment should be given to the pretty troops? The same as to the ugly?
What will men do to impress the ladies that they would not normally do in a group of men?
What sort of rivalry will develop between men who like the same fellow soldier?
Mixing heterosexual troops male and female together, OR, mixing homosexual troops into a hetero population, introduces a sexual component to the military that is not the same as your army wives scenario.
That’s how I see it. It is human nature. I do not think it provides the best military.
Listen I have no problem with the Brits. There are some pretty bad ass warriors in their ranks. Don't mess with the United States Marines though. The US military, especially the Marines are an unrivaled fighting force anywhere on the planet. Ask anyone who's ever been on the opposite side of the US Marines. The Somali's wouldn't f*** with them back in the '90's, no one who has an interest in living(sane or insane) will mess with them either. Allowing the openly gay in their ranks would forever change that special brotherhood of Marines.
What if the very best Iraqi or Farsi interpreter in our ranks happens to be gay? Does National Security override "don't ask, don't tell"?
I really don't have an answer, but I can tell you as someone that has access to veterans medical records via the VA there are a lot more gay veterans than anyone could ever imagine. There are quite a few transgender individuals to, all of which our VA is supplying medical care to.
If gays want to serve, let them serve for Israel or Britain.
You can make up what ever gets you through the day, but if you’re showering with a bunch of people you can bet some of them are homosexual. You’re saying the military policy should be set up so that you can avoid the truth. That’s what I’m going on about.
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