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One Nation No More?
RCP ^ | July 3rd, 2008 | David Broder

Posted on 07/03/2008 5:44:02 PM PDT by The_Republican

WASHINGTON -- Just in time for Independence Day, a conservative think tank has delivered a controversial report questioning whether America's national identity is eroding under the pressure of population diversity and educational slackness.

The threat outlined by the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation in its report, "E Pluribus Unum" strikes me as a bit exaggerated. But at a time when Barack Obama and John McCain find themselves debating the "patriotism issue," having a coherent discussion of this matter -- and this short pamphlet is admirably written and well-researched -- is a useful contribution.

The takeoff point for the argument is an observation about the uniqueness of America that was made by Thomas Jefferson -- and by myriad other worthies in the centuries since then. They all have drawn attention to the fact that, unlike other countries, America's national identity rests "not on a common ethnicity, but on a set of ideas."

And so, the Bradley scholars say, "knowing what America stands for is not a genetic inheritance. It must be learned, both by the next generation and by those who come to this country. In this way, a nation founded on an idea is inherently fragile."

The ideas that define this country are found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, as amplified by Supreme Court decisions and statutes in subsequent years. Those ideas have been tested in crisis and in war, and the leaders who steered the nation through those testing times are the heroes whose legacy we celebrate -- Washington, Lincoln, the two Roosevelts.

What disturbs the Bradley scholars is the evidence that our generation is failing to educate the next one on the essentials of the American experiment.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: aliens; assimilation; immigration; multiculturalism; nationalidentity
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1 posted on 07/03/2008 5:44:02 PM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

Some very good points made. Those who are for ‘change’ need to better understand that the deviance from those stellar principles are what leads a country to strive and chaos.


“The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the
beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years,
these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
— Alexander Tyler (Lord Woodhouselee, Alexander Fraser Tyler a Scottish historian/professor who wrote several books in the late 1700s and early 1800s.)


God give us men. The time demands
Strong minds, great hearts, true faith, and willing hands;
Men whom the lust of office does not kill;
Men whom the spoils of office cannot buy;
Men who possess opinions and a will;
Men who have honor; men who will not lie;
Men who can stand before a demagogue
And dam his treacherous flatteries without winking;
Tall men, sun-crowned, who live above the fog
In public duty and in private thinking.
— Josiah Gilbert Holland. 1819-1881


2 posted on 07/03/2008 5:49:16 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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Broder is weak as a Liberal is expected to be.

He says he has faith in America and proof is 1974 when Nixon was forced to leave office.

His other claim is that Young people voted in record numbers in record number in recent primaries.

I don’t see how those two claims counter the fact that younger generation and new immigrants are IGNORANT about American History and its founding ideals.


3 posted on 07/03/2008 5:51:30 PM PDT by The_Republican (Conservatives are in trouble because they hate Scarlett Johanson.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Some tremendous quotes! Thanks for sharing!


4 posted on 07/03/2008 5:52:32 PM PDT by The_Republican (Conservatives are in trouble because they hate Scarlett Johanson.)
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To: The_Republican

agree 100% we are very fast becoming the tower of Babel, and is a self imposed erosion of our American identity,
we do not seek a common launguage or identity that past generations aspired to.


5 posted on 07/03/2008 5:52:50 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: pennboricua

Still, I have access to a number of language translators on the internet that opens up almost the entire world for me ~ if not for you.


6 posted on 07/03/2008 5:56:51 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: The_Republican
"On the 2006 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) Civics Test," the report notes, "the majority of eighth graders could not explain the purpose of the Declaration of Independence. Only 5 percent of seniors could accurately describe the way presidential power can be checked by Congress and the Supreme Court."

This is half the answer, children are not learning is school about America, They are more likely to get anti-American rhetoric and socialist dogma that American history. They now have parents who were similarly "educated".

Unless they learn from their parents, the children are unlikely to ever learn. In the 1950's children watched entirely different television than we have today. Sex in the City has replaced The Dick Van Dike Show. Movies are even more worthless, they will learn about American corporations poisoning the environment and gangbangers shooting each other (hell, they can likely look out the front door for that).

7 posted on 07/03/2008 5:59:43 PM PDT by JimSEA (Kaffur and proud of it.)
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To: The_Republican

I’m not really worried about us because of the constitution.

I am worried about Europe. It is dying husk.


8 posted on 07/03/2008 6:05:31 PM PDT by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
I'll put in a timeline as to when I think each period occurred “The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;(1775-1830)

From spiritual faith to great courage;(1830-1870)

From courage to liberty;(1870-1930)

From liberty to abundance;(1930-1985)

From abundance to complacency;(1985-2000)

From complacency to apathy;(2000-present)

From apathy to dependence;(2009-future)

From dependence back into bondage.”(2009-future)

— Alexander Tyler (Lord Woodhouselee, Alexander Fraser Tyler a Scottish historian/professor who wrote several books in the late 1700s and early 1800s.)

9 posted on 07/03/2008 6:05:33 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: The_Republican
"The ideas that define this country are found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution ..."

"...evidence that our generation is failing to educate the next one on the essentials of the American experiment."

Could possibly explain the only two viable candidates for POTUS this cycle.

All the warnings George Washington gave us in his farewell address concerning political parties have come home to roost in spades (sic - no double entendre intended)!

10 posted on 07/03/2008 6:08:30 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?")
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To: JimSEA; Gabz; Amelia; A_perfect_lady; Baynative; Teacher317; doug from upland; Tanniker Smith; ...

< snip > On the 2006 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) Civics Test,” the report notes, “the majority of eighth graders could not explain the purpose of the Declaration of Independence. Only 5 percent of seniors could accurately describe the way presidential power can be checked by Congress and the Supreme Court.” < snip >



QUESTIONS:

1. In the different states, do the kids study these documents just during one year or continually?

2. If a kid skips a grade due to their test scores, could they miss this information entirely?


11 posted on 07/03/2008 6:08:53 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance
I've quoted Tyler from time to time here, in this very context. There is a dark sub-culture of physical mass that not only has an instinctive impulse to be the Yang to the American Yin, it is also working with a clear purpose to destroy the very society that empowers it, like a cancer killing it's host. The separation of the parasite from it's victim almost occurred 145 years ago; I won't debate which side was right or wrong for myriad reasons. But the tools and means of this next schism are quite different; this Republic will not survive in it's current dogmatic configuration, and there is little on the visible horizion that will alter that. Either we take unpalatable steps to preserve the last vestiges of the greatest civilization that humanity has ever arisen to, or we shall all sink into a wallowing cesspool of neo-Medievalism, losing our principals and identities as individuals to the 'greater' good of amoral, relativistic, hive-like collectivism.


12 posted on 07/03/2008 6:12:14 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Barak Obama is as inept as a bear cub with his dink.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Question 3.
If the material is covered only during one or a few lessons, if the kid is out sick or a field trip or something, is it possible he/she could miss it entirely?

Question 4.
There are some requirements to graduate out of lower grades in some places. Is not history one of these required subjects, or is this where ‘social promotions’ are highest?


13 posted on 07/03/2008 6:12:39 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The_Republican

The US is no where near crumbling.
All the negativity is because there is a Republican in office. If there was a rat in office birds would be singing again and everything would be just fine.


14 posted on 07/03/2008 6:17:46 PM PDT by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: The_Republican

It used to be that when a citizen did something unconventional (that wasn’t hurting anyone else), other people would just shake their heads and say, “well, it’s a free country!” It worries me that I rarely hear that anymore — now, it’s much more likely for people in the same circumstance to say “there should be a law!”

My independence day resolution is to do my part to bring back “it’s a free country.”


15 posted on 07/03/2008 6:17:58 PM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: smoketree

Exactly.

Reminds me of the story of a famous Klinton supporter. Ron something.

When Klinton took oat of office, there were some Jets that did the usua fly-by.

One of his supporters utterred an ANTI-MILIARY line.

Ron something said, hey that’s one of ours now.


16 posted on 07/03/2008 6:26:12 PM PDT by The_Republican (Conservatives are in trouble because they hate Scarlett Johanson.)
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To: The_Republican
"E Pluribus Unum" (Fundacion Lynde y Harry Bradley) - Si.

David Broder - No.

(I did that in spanish so everyone could understand)

17 posted on 07/03/2008 6:28:45 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton

LOL! Gracias!


18 posted on 07/03/2008 6:30:14 PM PDT by The_Republican (Conservatives are in trouble because they hate Scarlett Johanson.)
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To: muawiyah
Still, I have access to a number of language translators on the internet that opens up almost the entire world for me ~ if not for you.

What does that have to do with the U.S. having a common language creating a cohesive bond that brings us all together?

As for the new "immigrants" who refuse to learn English should we be required to supply them with the internet and computers so they can access those sites?

19 posted on 07/03/2008 6:57:03 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
Immigrant adults, legal or illegal, rarely learn the common tongue of any new country satisfactorily. It's not that they refuse, rather, it's that they can't.

Most of us usually only learn to speak one language with any facility.

At the same time I know that the current "world language" is English. Anyone really important enough for me to communicate with knows it. Those who aren't of any importance to me may not know it, but I don't care.

Still, I have the technology and enough facility with several languages to use the on-line translators to survey what the non-English enabled foreigners are doing.

20 posted on 07/03/2008 7:03:00 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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