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1 posted on 07/01/2008 7:30:18 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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Obama wants us to pay for their health care - I guess that would be ok if it involved amputating a piece at a time until no longer breathing.


33 posted on 07/01/2008 8:03:12 PM PDT by Aria (Obama: Potluck for President! "I serve as a blank screen on which people..project their own views")
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thanks, bfl


37 posted on 07/01/2008 8:11:52 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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"(Where's the media on this?) "

Maybe the story is BS. The media likes sensational stories, the nastier the better.

39 posted on 07/01/2008 8:21:34 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Oh how sick. We really need to stop human trafficing in this country and do it now. I have often said to supporters of illegals that if they knew the truth of how the illegals are mistreated and exploited they would not support illegal entry in any way, shape, or form. This story, and others like it doesn't fit the agenda so most will never know the horrific truth behind the smuggling of illegals.
40 posted on 07/01/2008 8:22:27 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; Tennessee Nana

Prayers Up...

Sad ping Nana...


41 posted on 07/01/2008 8:24:07 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I cannot find any collaboration of this story. Every source goes back to the “hyscience.com” site.

I have my doubts about its validity. It may not be true.

44 posted on 07/01/2008 8:31:47 PM PDT by marktwain
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The argument that illegal immigration is just an expression of the desire for freedom and economic betterment is destroyed by the reality of human trafficking. Next time you hear Geraldo or some La Raza apologist pundit argue that crime by illegals is no more than any other immigrant group, remind them of this atrocious evil. They are frauds, and this crime is the harvest of that fraud.


53 posted on 07/01/2008 8:54:57 PM PDT by Richard Axtell (Don't read this Tagline.)
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55 posted on 07/01/2008 8:56:55 PM PDT by Gritty (Bicultural societies are among the most unstable ones because politics becomes tribal - Mark Steyn)
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To: Clintonfatigued
There are plenty of reports of gang violence south of the border. According to this Daily Telegraph Article:
Since January, more than 1,300 people have been killed in execution-style hits or gunned down in fire fights, which often rage for hours in broad daylight and turn residential neighbourhoods into war zones. If the trend continues, 2008 will top last year's toll of 2,500 deaths in drug-related killings.
You don't hear so much about Americans at the Border. Too bad.

Americans are regularly abused. According to this article entitled US Warns Tourists of 'Small-Unit Combat' at Mexico Border -- Murder and kidnapping of Americans has become routine all along the US Mexican border. According to the State Department sometimes heavily armed attackers wear the uniforms of the Mexican police or military.

If there is silence about events at the border. The silence about killings north of the border is deafening. And yet....

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says Think about it. A man or woman killed in Iraq or Iran in the line of duty is a hero. But what is an American killed at home by an illegal alien because the government has failed in its sworn duty to guard the borders. This is a pact between the sovereign and the person has paid taxes and loyalty. The answer is to that question is pretty awful. And it bodes ill for the republic.

But is it true?

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals) Around 40% of the FBI's wanted for murder are Mexican Nationals

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. He said further that most of illegals in the federal prisons were in for drug related charges. Most of the illegals in jail for murder were in the state prisons. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans--but by no means all -- being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times. And here. This makes intuitive sense. We see stories regularly of drug gang killings in Mexico but we don't see those same stories in the USA. The reason we don't see those stories is not because its not happening. Rather we don't see the stories about illegals killing blacks because that kind of story is terribly politically incorrect. The populations being displaced in downtown sanctuary cities especially are American blacks. That means that their criminal elements would be pushed aside by Mexican gangs as well. That's also the story that the wanted for murder posters in all the major cities seems to suggest.

Why isn't there an outcry in the black community? Beats me.

Nevertheless, the pattern of non reporting is starting to break. Discovery Channel has a series called Gangland that mentions ethnic cleasing of blacks by Mexican gangs

Reported Foreign Nationals on Death Row in the U.S.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.

All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. If you check the links you'll notice that its McCain who cites Chertoff. See also here and here Here is more info from Judicial Watch.

However the number of illegals on death row is far lower. Sadly, so many small towns and villages across America have sent their warriors off to war half way across the world only to see communities fill up with illegal aliens.


57 posted on 07/01/2008 9:08:36 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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This is just part of the criminal culture of Mexico come to visit us. Once the shock value wears off, we will all yawn in our rockers as our neighbors take over.


58 posted on 07/01/2008 9:12:04 PM PDT by pallis
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I found another report on this.

Video Testimony Florida Attorney General's Office Testifies In Regard to the Beheading of a Mexican Girl for Refusing to be Raped by Sex Traffickers

"..Author:

Bill Stewart, Deputy Chief of Staff for Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum

Publisher:

Florida House of Representatives - State Affairs Committee Publish Date:

2008-04-08.."

If The hearing was 4-8-08 there is no way there would not be reporting on so salacious a story by now. Maybe Stewart was repeating preliminary details that did not prove to be the case.

59 posted on 07/01/2008 9:19:15 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Paging Greta!


77 posted on 07/02/2008 6:41:20 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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This (and story, after story, after story) is why McCain Amnasty is a deal breaker.


89 posted on 07/02/2008 8:39:19 AM PDT by jpsb
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This calls for plyers and a blowtorch...


91 posted on 07/02/2008 9:22:45 AM PDT by Clemenza (You Shoot Me in a Dream, You Better Wake Up and Apologize)
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ping


92 posted on 07/02/2008 10:16:16 AM PDT by gubamyster
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Some of God's Chil'run are acting up again. Better get Juan on that.


94 posted on 07/02/2008 12:24:32 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The GOP death march to the gravesite is underway.)
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Open borders and the illegal aliens and immigrants from enemy nations pose the greatest threat to the security of Americans.


105 posted on 07/02/2008 4:59:26 PM PDT by Dante3
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I can’t read that.


106 posted on 07/02/2008 6:11:50 PM PDT by kimmie7 (<<<---- Too surly for the hoarde.)
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Thanks, for posting this. While on Hyscience I read Michelle Malkin’s “Open borders and the mortgage mess”. I was very happy to see that people were putting the pieces together. I'd wondered how long it would take.
109 posted on 07/02/2008 10:43:32 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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Some posters didn’t believe this story to be true. Another source gives more details of the Attorney from Florida’s testimony etc.

Mexican Human Traffickers Behead Young Girl In Florida For Resisting Rape

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/256841

One has to wonder why this hasn’t been reported by the major news outlets, why outrage hasn’t been expressed, and why it took a blogger to bring the Florida House of Representatives -State Affairs Committee video segment to our attention?
The YouTube video above is a portion of the original public record which is linked below and the part in the video above can be found 2 hours 18 minutes and 20 seconds in to this video of the State Affairs Committee, in the Florida House of Representatives, discussing immigration legislation on April 8, 2008. (You can fast forward to the appropriate time mark)

This was public testimony on House bill 287g and at the time mentioned above, Bill Stewart, Deputy Chief of Staff for Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum, steps up to the microphone and is given 90 seconds to speak and the excerpt below is part of his public statement.

Excerpt:

It is impossible to separate national security issues from illegal immigration, and one of the most important illegal immigration issues in Florida is the issue of human trafficking”.

I think one of the most predominant ones, or issue of most important to the state of Florida is the issue of human trafficking.

Florida is the number one state in the nation for human trafficking.

And I will just leave you with a recent story that occurred in the panhandle.

There were several girls that were trafficked into the panhandle from Mexico. These girls were raped repeatedly over a week’s period of time, and one of them actually resisted while she was being raped.

So the smugglers grabbed all of these girls, chained them in chairs, and put them in a room. They brought in the girl who refused to be raped, and they beheaded her, in front of all of the other girls that were in that room. And they left them there, with her body, and those little girls, for several hours...

This is the reality, of dangerous criminal aliens, in our state, and what happens. They do not care about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What they care about is money, and people are merely an avenue to get them to their needs.”

This was reported on by HyScience, a blogger.

A search on google news for this story brings up nothing from major news papers which begs the question of why?

Back in 2004, CNN reported that Florida was one of the top three destinations for human traffickers, along with New York and Texas, according to the Center for the Advancement of Human Rights at Florida State University.

There are arrests and indictments on a regular basis in Florida, such as on May 8, 2008 when the Department of Justice issued a news release about a man pleading guilty to charges of human trafficking and alien smuggling.

That man, Cadena-Sosa, conspired with his family and smuggled women and girls into the United States and forced them to work in brothels with intimidation, violence, and threats of physical harm, until the “smuggling debt” had been paid off.

Human trafficking is nothing new to Florida but when a young girl is brought to the United States of America, raped and beheaded in front of other girls...is this not news worthy?

Is her life and death just being casually ignored or did this somehow slip through the cracks of journalism?

Is anyone paying attention anymore?


116 posted on 07/07/2008 12:08:04 PM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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