Posted on 06/18/2008 6:21:12 AM PDT by RaceBannon
Obama advisers say bin Laden can appeal to U.S. civilian courts
Barack Obama has expressed support for the Supreme Court’s decision in favor of civilian prosecution of terrorism suspects, and his advisers said Tuesday that if Osama bin Laden were captured, he too should face civilian prosecution. – AP Bill Sammon, The Examiner 2008-06-18 07:00:00.0 Current rank: # 13 of 6,452
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama’s foreign policy advisers said Tuesday that Osama bin Laden, if captured, should be allowed to appeal his case to U.S. civilian courts, a privilege opposed by John McCain.
Responding to questions from The Examiner, Sen. John Kerry and former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke said bin Laden would benefit from last week’s Supreme Court decision giving terrorism suspects habeas corpus, the right to appeal their military detention to civilian courts.
“If he were to be brought back,” Clarke said of bin Laden, “the Supreme Court ruling holds on the right of habeas corpus.”
Kerry, who applauded the Supreme Court ruling, said it will be carried out by whichever candidate wins the presidency.
“The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that they have those rights,” he said. “If John McCain were president, he would have to give them those rights.”
Randy Scheunemann, McCain’s senior foreign policy adviser, said those rights should not be extended to bin Laden or the hundreds of terrorism suspects being held by the U.S. military at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
“The individuals we hold at Guantanamo are very, very dangerous people,” Scheunemann said. “To give them full access to the federal courts and the criminal justice system is fraught with danger, moving forward, and likely to make America less safe, unlike Senator Obama’s claim of supporting the decision that it made America safer.”
On Monday, Obama applauded the civilian prosecution of terrorists before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
“In previous terrorist attacks — for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center — we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial,” he told ABC. “They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.”
Obama said President Bush has relied too heavily on military prosecution of terrorists, which has “given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, ‘Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims.’ ”
Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Obama wants “to take a step back to the failed policies that treated terrorism solely as a law enforcement matter, rather than a clear and present danger. Barack Obama appears to believe that terrorists should be treated like criminals — a belief that underscores his fundamental lack of judgment regarding our national security.”
The attack sounded familiar to Kerry, who was the Democratic presidential nominee four years ago.
“This is exactly what they tried to say back in 2004, and the record absolutely contradicts it,” Kerry told The Examiner. “Every Democrat voted to go to war and attack the Taliban and al Qaeda, the people who attacked us. That is not a [legalistic] approach.”
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Examiner
Haha I just mixed cross references to a simpsons episode based on a twlight zone.
But I think it still works :)
What is even more disgusting than Democrap pandering on this issue is the thought of all the defense lawyers that that practically have orgasms at the thought of defending bin Laden.
Dirkowitz would do it.
OBASAMA-CARTER connection is working....!
The dangerous croocks should be already desintegrated in flight with such repeated inanities on foreign policy,war against islamo-terrorism,gay agenda,moral values,family,and LAST BUT NOT LEAST economy when they have no other “ideas” that going backward to an old-fashioned “national”-socialism who failed everywhere and commited huge crimes...
The Carpet Bombing should begin and Conservatives should wake up
This should help set up the perfect McCain attack ad against this POS Obama:
“Obama morality = save Osama, but martyr innocent baby that survives abortion”
It just does not get more insane than this.
“Like it or not, we’re a nation of laws. The laws of war and peace are clear: you have a defined conflict between nation-states, there are prisoners of war, and those prisoners are to be treated under the Geneva Conventions and released at the end of the conflict.” Your original post.
My problem is that the Geneva Convention I recall refers to enemy troops in uniform. The jerks we are fighting wear no uniform. Even the VC troops we somtimes ran into were recognizable by a half ass uniform. The NVA wore uniforms.
While writing this I decided to make certain I was a not a total CRS case. These jerks can be shot by firing squad.
Check thus out.
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/geneva-convention-rules.html
“Like it or not, we’re a nation of laws. The laws of war and peace are clear: you have a defined conflict between nation-states, there are prisoners of war, and those prisoners are to be treated under the Geneva Conventions and released at the end of the conflict.” Your original post.
My problem is that the Geneva Convention I recall refers to enemy troops in uniform. The jerks we are fighting wear no uniform. Even the VC troops we somtimes ran into were recognizable by a half ass uniform. The NVA wore uniforms.
While writing this I decided to make certain I was a not a total CRS case. These jerks can be shot by firing squad.
Check thus out.
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/geneva-convention-rules.html
What is stopping us from releasing those in gitmo into the middle of a large valley in Iraq, with one weapon each sitting there waiting for them..... so we can mow their asses down as soon as they arm themselves?
no argument. The Geneva Conventions shouldn’t apply.
But simply murdering those who surrender or throwing them in a dungeon for the rest of their lives isn’t an acceptable option for a free nation, and has never been before in this nation.
The War on Terror is not an instance of “Rebellion or Insurrection” as were the Revolutionary and Civil wars.
Glad to hear you argree on the GC. If any enemy, however dressed, kills or wounds a fellow American miltary buddy of yours, whether you are a GI, marine, sailor, or airmen do not expect his buddies to spare you. That is reality. When one has no uniform on, do not expect a trip to Club Fed.
no question about either of those. I doubt there’s much “sparing” going on. But you still can’t lock people up and throw away the key simply on executive say-so.
And that is the problem. So, why would our men take prsioners now after the Supreme Court ruling? I can tell you we did not. Only on POW snatch missions or in support of PRU on local OPS did we. Do you have any idea how hard it is to wound an enemy and keep him alive on a chopper flight back without him dying from shock not to mention risking getting more of your fellow men killed?
I carried all of 10 or so morphine syrettes,plus two serum albumin containers. Who is getting those first? My men or the enemy? No debate there.
bttt
“If the turbin dont fit, you must aquit”
Obamas people have their finger in the wind, watching for the public reaction to this. If they see a negative response Obama will say he’s all for hanging Bin Laden from the highest tree. He’s a lying politician, an empty suit who will say or do anything to get elected.
1. ACORN v. Illinois State Bd. of Elections, No. 95-3456, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SEVENTH CIRCUIT, 75 F.3d 304; 1996 U.S. App. LEXIS 1112, November 16, 1995, Submitted , January 26, 1996, Decided
OVERVIEW: Finding by district court, given the directive to monitor interactions between parties for compliance with injunction, that regulations promulgated under the injunction were invalid, was not a final order and appeal of that finding was dismissed.
... Jeffrey I. Cummings, Barack H. Obama, DAVIS, MINER, BARNHILL & ...
2. ACORN v. Edgar, Nos. 95-1800, 95-1801, 95-1802, 95-1803, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SEVENTH CIRCUIT, 56 F.3d 791; 1995 U.S. App. LEXIS 13697, May 8, 1995, ARGUED , June 5, 1995, DECIDED
OVERVIEW: A state was compelled to enforce the provisions of a federal voter registration law because of the federal government's inherent constitutional power to regulate the time, place, and manner of federal elections.
... Miner, Jeffrey Cummings, Barack H. Obama, DAVIS, MINER, BARNHILL & ...
3. Barnett v. Daley, No. 93-3644, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SEVENTH CIRCUIT, 32 F.3d 1196; 1994 U.S. App. LEXIS 22893, April 20, 1994, Argued , August 23, 1994, Decided , As Amended October 19, 1994. Rehearing Denied November 2, 1994, Reported at: 1994 U.S. App. LEXIS 30731. Second Correction November 16, 1994.
OVERVIEW: Racial gerrymandering was unlawful under the Equal Protection Clause, and an administration plan that gave black voters representation proportional to their share of the population was not a complete defense under the Voting Rights Act.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, DAVIS, MINER, BARNHILL & ... ... Strauss, Jeffrey Cummings, Barack H. Obama, DAVIS, MINER, BARNHILL & ...
4. Baravati v. Josephthal, Lyon & Ross, No. 93-3647, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SEVENTH CIRCUIT, 28 F.3d 704; 1994 U.S. App. LEXIS 16587; 128 Lab. Cas. (CCH) P11,127; 9 I.E.R. Cas. (BNA) 1127, April 7, 1994, Argued , July 1, 1994, Decided
OVERVIEW: Security dealers association's termination notice form was not absolutely privileged where it was used in the administration of an employment clearinghouse and was not used in a quasi-judicial regulatory process.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, DAVIS, MINER, BARNHILL & ...
5. King v. F. E. Moran, 00-CV-3877 , UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, 2002 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 21276, September 26, 2002, Decided
OVERVIEW: Motion to dismiss False Claims Act conspiracy claim was denied, where complaint did not allege that companies at issue were related as parent and wholly-owned subsidiary, and companies conceded that subsidiary was not wholly-owned.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, John F. Belcaster, ...
6. United States ex rel. King v. F.E. Moran, Inc., Case No. 00 C 3877, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 2002 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 16277, August 22, 2002, Decided , August 29, 2002, Docketed
OVERVIEW: In a FCA action where plaintiff alleged defendant improperly identified four different minority owned business enterprise companies as participants on two federal projects, plaintiff's false statements liability theory survived summary judgment.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, John F. Belcaster, ...
7. Association of Community Orgs. for Reform Now v. Edgar, No. 95 C 174, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 1996 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 9978, July 16, 1996, Decided , July 17, 1996, DOCKETED
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, Miner Barnhill & Galland, ...
8. Association of Community Orgs. for Reform Now v. Edgar, No. 95 C 174, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 1996 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 7193, May 24, 1996, Decided , May 28, 1996, DOCKETED
OVERVIEW: Because a state failed to comply with a Voter Registration Act after its constitutionality was upheld, the state had to use the effective date of the Act for its date of compliance, and it could not charge the citizens the cost of compliance.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, Davis, Miner, Barnhill ...
9. Donnell v. Comdisco, Inc., No. 95 C 512, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13214, September 8, 1995, Decided , September 12, 1995, DOCKETED
OVERVIEW: In a former employee's discrimination and retaliation action, discussions between a deponent and her employer's in-house counsel regarding who the former employee had dated were not protected by the attorney-client privilege.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, Davis, Miner, Barnhill ...
10. Association of Community Orgs. for Reform Now v. Edgar, No. 95 C 174, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 12945, September 6, 1995, Decided , September 7, 1995, DOCKETED
OVERVIEW: The election board's regulation requiring an address verification form before any applicant's registration to vote in federal elections became effective was invalid, as it violated the National Voter Registration Act.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, Davis, Miner, Barnhill ...
11. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, No. 94 C 4094, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 162 F.R.D. 338; 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 9309, June 29, 1995, Decided , June 30, 1995, DOCKETED
OVERVIEW: Defendant in class action could not limit discovery responses as to identified individual class members; corporate defendant's failure to produce a knowledgeable witness was tantamount to not producing a witness.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, Miner Barnhill & Galland, ...
12. Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, No. 94 C 4094, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 162 F.R.D. 322; 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 9342, June 29, 1995, Decided , June 30, 1995, DOCKETED
OVERVIEW: In class action certification hearing, plaintiffs seeking redress for alleged racial discrimination in home loans proved certification was appropriate as they met requirements of numerosity, commonality, typicality, and adequacy of representation.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, Davis, Miner, Barnhill ...
13. Association of Community Orgs. for Reform Now v. Edgar, No. 95 C 174, No. 95 C 281, No. 95 C 433, No. 95 C 1387, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 8147, June 8, 1995, Decided, nunc pro tunc June 7, 1995 , June 13, 1995, DOCKETED
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, Davis, Miner, Barnhill ...
14. ACORN v. Edgar, No. 95 C 174, No. 95 C 281, No. 95 C 433, No. 95 C 1387, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS, EASTERN DIVISION, 880 F. Supp. 1215; 1995 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 4007, March 28, 1995, Decided , March 31, 1995, Docketed
OVERVIEW: Congress had constitutional authority to enact the numerous requirements of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 as to procedure and safeguards that experience showed were necessary in order to enforce the fundamental voting right involved.
... Judson H. Miner, Barack H. Obama, Davis, Miner, Barnhill ...
....[Barak Hussein] Obama said President Bush has relied too heavily on military prosecution of terrorists, which has “given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, ‘Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims.’ ”...
Yeah, we treat muslims so badly that a Muhammadan Luo tribesman is now the presumptive nominee for President of one of our two major political parties!!!!
Anyone who doubts that Barak Hussein Obama is a muslim should hear him recite the Shahada (which makes one a muslim), and say that it is part of “one of the prettiest sounds on earth”. As for his professed Christian faith, perhaps he resembles that now suspended Episcopal priestess who said that she was both a Christian and a muslim. Perhaps Obama needs to let the American people know if he believes that it is possible to be both, and if he has been trying to be both Christian and muslim like the heretic priestess.
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