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Daily Kos posts copy of Obama's birth certification
Hot Air ^ | 6/12/2008 | Allahpundit

Posted on 06/12/2008 3:10:54 PM PDT by Oyarsa

No word of how he got it-Team Barry isn't actually leaking to dKos, is it?-and naturally he misunderstands Jim Geraghty's point about Obama's place of birth, which would have been relevant not with respect to his "Americanness" but whether he was constitutionally qualified to run as a natural-born citizen. But here it is.

Update: Not that it matters for purposes of addressing Geraghty's concerns, but Flip notes that the posted document is a certification of birth, which is slightly different from a birth certificate.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birth; certificate; certification; electionpresident; obama; wfc
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To: Jean S
"This needs to stop, it makes FR posters look like idiots, we need to stop beating this dead horse."

How true. How true.

121 posted on 06/12/2008 4:32:08 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: usmcobra
Can any one explain why there is more information on an Auto title then on Obama's alleged birth certificate?

Because an auto is more valuable than Obama?

Seriously, see my post #111.

122 posted on 06/12/2008 4:33:21 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down t heir level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Oyarsa

I’m sorry, but after 47 years there is no fold or wrinkle, or crease!!! That thing looks like it was issued yesterdy!

I don’t think I can buy this.


123 posted on 06/12/2008 4:34:01 PM PDT by noname07718 (The Senate is based on consensus. “Consensus is the absence of leadership” - Lady M.Thatcher)
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To: aruanan
Back then it was "colored" that had more negative connotations.

Yes, but there was some status attached to being African or West Indian or Cuban or American Indian rather than an ordinary US Negro.

As you said, one could be "African" without being a "Negro," and that "race" on one's official papers might make for a better future.

Kenya didn't become independent until 1963 or 1964, depending on how one defines "independent," so "Kenyan" wouldn't have been an often-heard term.

There was a Kenya Colony from 1920, but most people, if they thought of that part of the world at all, probably still called it British East Africa. The coins still said that, and you'd see the pink blotch on the map and not the individual units that made it up.

It also wasn't clear in 1961 whether the parts of British East Africa would become independent separately, or stick together (as Tanganyika and Zanzibar did to form Tanzania).

124 posted on 06/12/2008 4:34:19 PM PDT by x
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To: Aurorales

No one’s trying to say the document above is the actual birth certificate issued at the time of this birth. It is a certified copy, issued on the date it was requested (or very shortly thereafter). I happen to have a copy of my original birth certificate, because that’s what they gave people when I needed it for my driver’s license. I couldn’t get that now — what I would get is similar to what’s above. Also, I recently got married, and the marriage certificate I got from the County Clerk’s office, just about three weeks after I got married, was nothing like the actual marriage license that I got ahead of time and was signed by the minister.


125 posted on 06/12/2008 4:35:44 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: illiac

Not printed, typed.


126 posted on 06/12/2008 4:36:07 PM PDT by noname07718 (The Senate is based on consensus. “Consensus is the absence of leadership” - Lady M.Thatcher)
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I downloaded the image from KOS and blew it up in photoshop.

sure looks funny around the letters. the green lines kinda disappear by the letters and looks like artifacts around the letters also.

has any one else looked?


127 posted on 06/12/2008 4:36:13 PM PDT by free1man
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To: Fox_Mulder77
It seems to me this thing was leaked to buy some time to get an 'original' birth certificate that is being amended as we speak. JMO. :-D

Chances are this is the amended one. That’s why this is useless for other that what it is. This is just proof of age.

128 posted on 06/12/2008 4:36:45 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down t heir level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: AmericaUnited

That’s a good point — why is the certificate # blacked out??

It’s not like it would be sensitive personal info like his Social Security #. Is there anything you could do with the Certification # from a birth certificate - you’d have to present the embossed certified form itself for anything like a passport or I-9 form for employment. I don’t know of any criminal activities that would be aided by that # but then I don’t pretend to know anything first-hand about the criminal world, typical scams by Democrats, etc.

Still, it does seem at least curious that the # is blanked out — either someone just did it automatically (but a Presidential candidate releases all kinds of sensitive personal info, why is that singled out for deletion?) or as you say it suggests they are using someone else’s certificate and inserting Barry’s info.

What’s the deal here?


129 posted on 06/12/2008 4:37:01 PM PDT by Enchante (Barack Chamberlain: My 1930s Appeasement Policy Goes Well With My 1960s Socialist Policies!)
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To: aruanan
Hawaii states that Birth Certificates can ONLY be made available to the following individuals:

But that is not a Birth Certificate, only a Certification of Birth. Not the same thing. Think of it as the "short form". It really certifies that there is a birth certificate on file.

130 posted on 06/12/2008 4:37:52 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: aruanan
Hawaii states that Birth Certificates can ONLY be made available to the following individuals:

But that is not a Birth Certificate, only a Certification of Birth. Not the same thing. Think of it as the "short form". It really certifies that there is a birth certificate on file.

131 posted on 06/12/2008 4:37:53 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: aruanan

Why would someone who wasn’t American be identified as a “black American”, “Afro-American” or “African American”?

Also, I am looking at application for this focus group in my building, and under Ethnicity the choices are: Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian, African, Other.


132 posted on 06/12/2008 4:39:00 PM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: Spunky
You and her please go away, if that is the attitude you think is FR. This post is true FR.

We are haggling out the details. Something ain't on the up-and-up here, that is obvious.

The Obama campaign is in misdirection mode, they present an actual official substitute for proof of birth, and allude -- strongly allude, that is the misdirection -- that it answers any questions about the actual 1961 birth certificate.

Hooray for FR!

133 posted on 06/12/2008 4:39:11 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Enchante

The deal is that you could verify the exact information on this document with that #, hence it’s blacked out.


134 posted on 06/12/2008 4:39:21 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Crystal Cove

I agree with you.

But if the State of Hawaii did not ask for the race of the baby or parents in the 60’s, why would it be on the newly issued document?

My son has a Hawaii birth certificate from 1988, and his does not ask for the baby’s nor the parents race.
Seems to me, the state of Hawaii is not in the habit of asking the race for important documents.


135 posted on 06/12/2008 4:41:10 PM PDT by Aurorales
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To: aruanan
In 1961 "Negro" was standard. It wasn't until the later 1960's that "black American" was used, as well as, first, "Afro-American", then, later, "African-American". Back then it was "colored" that had more negative connotations.

Agreed.

We need to see an original Hawaiian BC from 1961 to know for sure. However, chances are that if his father wasn’t at the hospital at the birth, it probably shows ‘white’, since his mother was. I’m betting that is what they are trying to ‘hide.’

136 posted on 06/12/2008 4:41:23 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down t heir level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: aruanan
It leaves out a huge amount of information that the actual birth certificate has.

I don't know. I've never seen a Hawaiian birth certificate before. Have you?

137 posted on 06/12/2008 4:42:10 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: x
Maybe "African" was regarded as an alternative to "Negro" which had negative connotations with many people.

In 1961 Martin Luther King would have been using the word. Later than that in fact. He used it many times, in his "I Have a Dream" speech, for example.

138 posted on 06/12/2008 4:43:44 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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SOMEBODY JUST CALL THE HAWAII REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ASK THEM TO REVIEW THIS THREAD......

Why doesn’t somebody contact the Hawaii Republican party at their email address and ask what a legitimate Birth Certificate looked like in 1961.

They can also tell us or show us what the form looks like in when the copy posted on the KOS site looked like.

I’m at work so I can’t email or call right now.

Here is the contact information. The Gov of Hawaii is a Republican.

headquarters@gophawaii.com

Call us at
(808) 593-8180

http://www.gophawaii.com/index.html


139 posted on 06/12/2008 4:44:13 PM PDT by ncfool (Hopefully we will see the birth certificate. Obama the Manchurian Candidate .)
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To: Fox_Mulder77

So Barium Hussein Obama has “Reverse Michael Jackson Syndrome”?


140 posted on 06/12/2008 4:44:57 PM PDT by TheBattman (LORD God, please give us a Christian Patriot with a backbone for President in 08, Amen.)
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