Posted on 06/12/2008 12:30:50 PM PDT by pissant
Daily Kos has obtained a copy of Obama's "certification of live birth."
All of the information is what we have been told before - name, birth date, etc.. His mother's race is listed as "Caucasian," his father as "African." No middle name of Muhammad, no first name of "Barry," no last name of "Dunham." He's listed as "Barack Hussein Obama II," not "Jr."
(Interestingly, in the lower right hand corner is the backwards reflection of a stamp, "June 6 or G, 2007". Did someone request or process this record about a year ago?)
Site creator Markos Moulitsas mentions in the comments the campaign released it to him.
(Also, for astrologers, the time of birth was 7:24 p.m.)
Next time you get one of those e-mails suggesting Obama has a different "real name," send people to this post or that document.
UPDATE: I'm getting some, "Jim, this looks modern," e-mail messages. As Ed notes,
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
You’re welcome. (At least tell my I did a good job, eh..?)
I can’t tell...I’m not good at this stuff.
:-(
The text lines up the exactly the same.
The fact that this is known to be an actual photoshop should be indication enough the image Kos posted is, in fact, also a photoshop.
p.s. I also changed the race of the father and the location of birth.
Yep, there is no way in hell that’s the original document.
Since Obama is a citizen, but NOT a natural born citizen, he cannot become President. Good work piytar.
We need to make sure this news goes out to the MSM so everyone will know.
Guess it’s gonna be Hillary vs. McCain. Too bad, I believe Obama would be easier to beat.
Riddle me this batman?
I saved the scanned BC from Kos:
http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
And I saved the scanned BC from Obama’s site:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
I printed both of them out and examined them carefully. While they seem to be the same document, the amount of hatching outside the border is different, at the top and at the bottom (could just be someone cropped it differently).
More interesting, note the little horizontal lines in the border at the vertical - horizontal border intersection (in each of the lower corners). On the Kos version, those little lines are lower than the interior border line of the bottom border band. On O’s they are aligned with that interior border line.
And on the Obama version, you cannot make out the apostrophe’s in “father’s name” or “father’s race”.
Good point. I see what you mean. JPG artifacts around some elements, and not around other ones.
Allrighty, I think we get your drift on this one.
Do me a favor, look at my photoshopped version at 205 and 207 and tell me that isn’t convincing enough that this whole was created (except the background and printed State Seal, which look like they were actually scanned).
They look better than the “originals”
I think those prove it.
*snickers*
Btw - I'm taking that as a compliment so, thanks!
(Although they're not really supposed to look "better"...)
It’s a fake and it has no number on it.
Not only that - I was able to achieve the exact same look to inserted text in posts 205 and 207.
The original is clearly a 'shop job.
This kind of document could easily be faked on computer.
All you need is the right software and a good scanner.
Adobe Acrobat Professional has a setting where you can erase and re-type any text on a document very easily.......very easily.
I have done it. Not for illegal purposes, but I have altered and reproduced official documents for saving on the computer.
It is EXTREMELY easy.
However, I have a feeling this is not faked. It is now on the fight the smears site, albeit it is such a small image.
It seems to me this is legit, and he is a U.S. citizen.
We will have to beat him on other grounds, which may be easy, but I am not sure.
Frankly, I was shocked today when I heard his two proposals regarding taxes.
First: SENIORS WILL NOT PAY ANY INCOME TAXES.
Second: THE GOVT. DOES YOUR TAXES FOR YOU AND YOU THEN DISPUTE IT IF YOU DISAGREE.
These are innovative ideas. Do I agree with them......not the first one. I actually like the second one although I have a bit of an issue with it because government tries to screw you most of the time and I am worried about that. But, since there is no chance of real tax reform, that seems to be one of the best ideas coming out of anybody of late to try to make things easier on the taxpayer.
And that is the problem....he will win a lot of seniors who likely would have voted for McCain since he is an old fart himself. The other idea will win a lot of people.
The ideas I have seen McCain proposing so far are tired old ideas without anything innovative at all.
I am really concerned here about November.
Yeah, Obama has no experience. But, at least he is proposing some real ideas now unlike the primaries when he was all talk and no proposals!
McCain hasn’t really done anything unique yet. That is a real concern.
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