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On the Second Amendment, Don’t Believe Obama!
NRA-ILA ^ | 6/08/08 | staff

Posted on 06/08/2008 6:49:21 AM PDT by epow

The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.

FACT: Barack Obama supports requiring law-abiding gun owners to register their firearms.

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to eliminate your Right to Carry.

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.

FACT: Barack Obama supports “one-gun-a-month” sales restrictions.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment. FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; antigun; banglist; guncontrol; gunvote; obama; obamalies; obamatruthfile
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To: epow
There is no chance whatsoever that Bob Barr or any real conservative will be president of the US in any of our lifetimes. The Libertarian party candidate usually gets about 1-1/2 % of the total vote, and Bob Barr will probably do a little better than that this year.

Nonetheless, is there any reason not to vote for Bob Barr in those states where one's vote isn't going to make a difference? I know some people say not to 'take chances', but there is no plausible scenario where Obama loses Illinois and yet gets 270 Electoral Votes. It would be more plausible (still unlikely) that McCain would come in third in at least one state, thoroughly disproving the notion that Republicans need to run to the left.

61 posted on 06/08/2008 1:19:30 PM PDT by supercat
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To: epow

On ANYTHING, don’t believe Obama!


62 posted on 06/08/2008 1:26:38 PM PDT by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: epow
The Republican primary voters could have done a lot better than nominating McCain, but they didn't.

The Republicans didn't vote for McCain. Cross over Democrats and RINO's did.

You may know how I feel, but unlike me you are not willing to vote AS YOU SHOULD. You'll follow the pack right off the cliff.

This has nothing to do with being "bitter" and everything to do with being FED UP with a choice between "slow death and quick". I choose life...

63 posted on 06/08/2008 1:31:15 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: supercat

I’m in MN. I’m voting Barr. This was the only State that Mondale/Ferraro carried in 1984.


64 posted on 06/08/2008 1:34:07 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse
You may know how I feel, but unlike me you are not willing to vote AS YOU SHOULD. You'll follow the pack right off the cliff.

BTW, the two party system makes it impossible for someone who wasn't nominated to get elected. Just ask Joe Lieberman.

65 posted on 06/08/2008 1:40:13 PM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat

Sounds like a problem with a Two Party system that could be overcome by simply not voting for either of them.


66 posted on 06/08/2008 1:58:19 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: supercat
Nonetheless, is there any reason not to vote for Bob Barr in those states where one's vote isn't going to make a difference?

I don't think so, and if you vote in Obama's home state it's a sure thing that one vote won't make any difference no matter who it's for.

Downstate IL should secede from the Cook county metro area and become the 51st state. I have traveled over most of IL and found that the differences between the people in those two areas are like night and day, and not just in the political realm.

67 posted on 06/08/2008 3:38:55 PM PDT by epow (The question is not "Is God on America's side." but "Is America on God's side?")
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To: Dead Corpse
The Republicans didn't vote for McCain. Cross over Democrats and RINO's did.

That may be true, but did they also vote for Giuliani, Mitt, and Huckabee? Those RINOs along with McCain also trounced Hunter and Paul in every state. The one or two conservatives in the race were never even close to the RINOs, and I can't believe enough Democrats crossed over to have caused that outcome. Also, many states such as FL don't allow crossover voting in primary elections, and IIRC the conservative candidates didn't do any better in those states than anywhere else.

We have to face facts, or at least I do, and a very unpleasant fact is that the GOP of today is not Reagan's party anymore. But the two biggies are the only game in town if you want to have a voice in who is elected at the national level. 1-1/2 million votes for a Libertarian candidate cost the Democrats virtually nothing because very few if any Democrats would vote for a Libertarian candidate to begin with. But the Libertarian nominee does hurt the GOP nominee because a significant amount of those Libertarian votes are usually cast at the expense of a RINO nominee such as McCain.

I hate having to vote for the lesser of two evils as much as anybody. But the lesser is still better than the worst, and Obama is by far the worst and most dangerous nominee I have seen in the 12 presidential elections in which I have voted.

68 posted on 06/08/2008 4:27:55 PM PDT by epow (The question is not "Is God on America's side." but "Is America on God's side?")
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To: epow

Every one of the FACTS noted by the NRA-ILA has been well-known for some time yet at their most recent convention they added a Democrat congressman, Dan Boren - OK, to the board. This congressman is a superdelegate that is pledged to support BHO at the convention.

And people on gun boards wonder why more gun owners don’t join the NRA yet can’t see or excuse in some way this basic lack of integrity on the part of the NRA. I really don’t care if Boren has a 100% rating on key legislation or represents his district in its basic conservative nature. When push comes to shove, Nancy Pelosi and her fellow Rats will call the tune for Boren to dance to and dance he will.


69 posted on 06/08/2008 5:19:35 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: snowsislander

“the senator’s expertise with Saul Alinsky’s methods.”

Obama has NO REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE of note, except for his experience in LEFT WING AGITATION.

This should give us SERIOUS pause. The man is running on Casar Chavez’s slogan, is a red daiper baby, and hasnt got clue One about the military, except his desire to disarm it.


70 posted on 06/08/2008 5:33:08 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - co-bloggers wanted!)
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To: epow; george76; Beckwith; Fred Nerks
Obama is a fascist.

His political movement,( and I say HIS accurately, for it is his messianic campaigning which infects the DNC,) is hardly a "democrat" movement.

The urge to win is so high among Dems , that they would grab any effective "Messiah" in order to attain power.

It is only a matter of time until we see the ugly side of the "emotion" which fuels fascist movements. I hope we see it BEFORE the election, and not after. The MSM will not be able to spin it, and Obama will lose the election.

It is John McCain's duty to ridicule ( fascism cannot stand ridicule), accurately criticize and seduce the display of reactionary emotion in Obama and in Obama supporters, so it will manifest for ALL to see. It is McCain's sacred task. But will he, can he do it?

Obama needs to be publicly treated like the petty sociopathic fascist he truly is.

Messianic politicians do not create unity and progress without totalitarian method. History shows us that. And emotion is the fuel upon which this movement runs. Set it on FIRE so it becomes uncontrollable. Result: Obama loses.

71 posted on 06/08/2008 8:35:11 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Expose Obama))
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
That is what this bozo will never understand.

Didn't England try that and now the thugs rule the country?

72 posted on 06/08/2008 8:55:49 PM PDT by John123 (Obama said that he has been in 57 states. I will now light myself on fire...)
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To: John123
"Didn't England try that and now the thugs rule the country?"

Absolutely. Gun crime is pretty much abolished in England. However, crime and violent crime in general is way up all over England. Guess it wasn't the guns.

As for the argument that guns allow you to commit mass murder more easily, tell it to the families of the victims in Japan where the guy went on a knife stabbing rampage on Sunday.
73 posted on 06/09/2008 4:26:11 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: epow
...and a very unpleasant fact is that the GOP of today is not Reagan's party anymore.

Even less reason to continue to vote for them. If being "socialist-lite" is all we can expect from the GOP, then screw them. They don't deserve to exist any more then. This Country already has 3 Parties (Dems, Greens, CPUSA) that are overtly Communist.

No need to continue to support the GOP's slide in that direction.

74 posted on 06/09/2008 5:42:39 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Red Dog #1

Not only is he “not as conservative”, Obama is a stealth
communist! If Kennedy had served out his term, you would
have seen more “new deal”.


75 posted on 06/09/2008 8:06:45 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Chuckster

*raised hand*


76 posted on 06/09/2008 10:40:35 AM PDT by woollyone (100 rounds per week totals 5000 rounds in a year. Just thought you'd want to know.)
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