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Sen. Bill Nelson wants to get rid of Electoral College
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 6/7/08 | Mark K. Matthews

Posted on 06/07/2008 9:55:32 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

The U.S. would no longer use the Electoral College to choose its presidents under a proposal introduced Friday by Florida's Democratic U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson.

Instead, presidents would be picked by popular vote, a method that would have given former Vice President Al Gore the White House after the contested 2000 election.

"It's time for Congress to really give Americans the power of one person, one vote," Nelson said in a statement.

But changing the system requires a constitutional amendment and a meat grinder of legislative tests.

First, Congress must approve the idea, and then 38 state legislatures must ratify the change within seven years. Even if it succeeds, a change likely wouldn't come until the next decade.

"Election reform is always a subject that gets people's attention, but it's always more difficult to do than people anticipate," said Susan MacManus, a political scientist at the University of South Florida.

The problem is twofold, she said. Throughout U.S. history, the idea of eliminating the Electoral College has been opposed by whichever major party would be put at a disadvantage. Smaller states also have resisted the change because it diminishes their influence in presidential races.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 110th; billnelson; directdemocracy; elections; electoralcollege; mobrule; rinomartinez
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1 posted on 06/07/2008 9:55:33 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

bump


2 posted on 06/07/2008 9:58:04 PM PDT by lowbridge ("I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it" - Van Den Boogaard)
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To: Dawnsblood

Geez, the Democrats and the Popular Vote. If they’re so enamored of the Popular Vote why are they nominating a guy who lost the Popular Vote in their own primaries?


3 posted on 06/07/2008 9:58:18 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("a wee bit silly." -Lord Trimble on Hillary Clinton's claim of foreign policy "experience".)
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To: Dawnsblood

The Dems will pump up turnout in the big cities and win national elections if these changes happened.


4 posted on 06/07/2008 9:58:24 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dawnsblood
and then 38 state legislatures must ratify the change within seven years.

And has anyone explained why state legislatures other than New York, California, Texas and Florida would agree to make their states irrelevant in presidential elections?

5 posted on 06/07/2008 10:00:06 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (The road to hell is paved with the stones of pragmatism.)
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To: Dawnsblood

Imagine that..... A democrat Senator believes he knows better how to preserve the Republic than the founders.

This ass clown is dangerous.

They simply can’t leave well enough alone.


6 posted on 06/07/2008 10:00:41 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Dawnsblood; SE Mom; Bahbah
SHRILLARY is the one who wants to get rid of the electoral college .. so bad, she can taste it. There will be a continuing drumbeat to change our form of election from the Rats.
7 posted on 06/07/2008 10:00:51 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood

Nelson left the better part of his thought processes on his Space Shuttle mission...


8 posted on 06/07/2008 10:00:52 PM PDT by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ The Obamao v Mad Jon, win the battle and lose the war..choice of evils be..)
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To: Dawnsblood
re: a method that would have given former Vice President Al Gore the White House after the contested 2000 election

Not necessarily so. Campaigning is done based on the electoral college. It would have been an entirely different game had they known it would be strictly on popular vote. I don't say that it wouldn't have been so, just that it's not the slam dunk the say it is.

Changing it at this stage in our country's history and development would be just one more step in dissolution of the greatest nation in the history of the world.

9 posted on 06/07/2008 10:02:18 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: Dawnsblood
Let me see. Would the Dems be more able to cheat their way into the Presidency? That's all I want to know.
10 posted on 06/07/2008 10:06:41 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: ElkGroveDan
And has anyone explained why state legislatures other than New York, California, Texas and Florida would agree to make their states irrelevant in presidential elections?

Feelings...

11 posted on 06/07/2008 10:10:23 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Dawnsblood

They should have introduced Nelson to the airlock on the Space Shuttle mission he bribed his way onto.


12 posted on 06/07/2008 10:30:59 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: originalbuckeye
I might favor going with strictly a popular vote for our Presidential elections.

But....
I would not support it unless:

1. The polls were opened for 24 hours and at the exact same time in every state. IE open at 0100 in NY, 0200 in IL, 0300 in CO, 0400 in CA an so on. And close of course at the exact same time 24 hour later.

2. ANYONE caught conducting exit polls would be subject to election tampering charges and serve 1 to 5 years in prison if convicted.

3. Any Media outlet “Projecting” winners/losers in election returns PRIOR to the closing of polls would be subject to same said Election tampering charges and prison terms.

4. Primary elections would be conducted in the same manner except 3 or 4 primary elections would be held monthly starting with the first Tuesday in April with the parties choosing how they would weed out the non-contenders before their conventions. Caucuses would be outlawed.

5. Surely others could come up with some more good ideas to make 1 man 1 vote a viable alternative to the Main Stream Media, the New Hampshire voters, and the Iowa Caucus Controllers picking the Presidential candidates for the whole country.

13 posted on 06/07/2008 10:35:28 PM PDT by armourup (Your Doctor is 100% wrong about Lyme Disease.)
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To: Dawnsblood

Another demented Washington politician yearning to tinker with the Constitution.

Three quarters of these freaks need to retire before they do any more damage to the country.


14 posted on 06/07/2008 10:40:40 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: Dawnsblood
HOW many times do you have to tell these dim-witted Demos that we live in a REPUBLIC, Not a democracy?
15 posted on 06/07/2008 10:44:24 PM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: Henchster

A few more times I would guess :)


16 posted on 06/07/2008 10:49:52 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood
First, Congress must approve the idea, and then 38 state legislatures must ratify the change within seven years.

Congress must approve the idea by a 2/3rds vote of the House and Senate. I don't think that's going to happen.
17 posted on 06/07/2008 10:49:54 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Dawnsblood

Tell this to your Dem friends: You live in Massachusetts.
Under the electoral college, Obama wins the state and gets
the electoral votes. If he puts together the right coalition of states, small or big, he is elected.

But suppose McCain gets more popular
votes nationally. Obama won Mass. but it doesn’t matter because McCain won more pop. votes nationally. If electoral college is banned, and pop votes only counted, McCain’s in, in
that example. How does it feel, Dems?

2004 election; suppose there’s no elec college
Final
Bush 62,040,610
Kerry 59,028,444
Bush still wins.

But smaller states don’t get ignored in
the campaign. Obama could lose the popular vote but still
get in via electoral votes, if he puts the right states
together.


18 posted on 06/07/2008 10:50:38 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Deo volente
But each state gets to decide how it's Electoral slate gets decided and that way they can give it to anyone they like. So even if a man does not win a single vote they can award their state to that person. The Dems mean to undermine our checks and balances.
19 posted on 06/07/2008 10:53:58 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood; potlatch; devolve; MeekOneGOP
KEEP THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE

GET RID OF BILL NELSON INSTEAD

20 posted on 06/07/2008 10:55:37 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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