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Climate of suspicion [Global Cooling Alert!]
Guardian.co.uk ^ | 6/7/08 | Fred Pearce

Posted on 06/06/2008 10:09:52 PM PDT by melt

The deniers of global warming are about to latch on to a new argument. The world is cooling. And they are right - well, slightly.

Globally, this year is likely to be the coolest for some time - back to the average of the early 90s, according to some unpublished forecasts. This is no refutation of man-made global warming. It is the inevitable consequence of one of nature's climatic cycles. The La Niña, the cold phase of the El Niño cycle in the Pacific, has sent average global temperatures plunging this year.

And there is more. Longer term climate cycles that play out over a decade or so will also be working to cool us in the coming decade. In particular, changes in the currents of the north Atlantic - which have caused Europe to warm more than anywhere else in the past decade and helped melt all that Arctic ice - are about to go into reverse.

A Germany study published earlier this month predicts the world will cool over the coming decade. British climate modellers at the Met Office don't go so far. They think nature's cooling will be more than counterbalanced by the warming effect of man-made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

But nobody is sure. In any case, we can expect the deniers to make the most of this opportunity to pour cold water on the whole climate change narrative. No year has yet been hotter than 1998, they will say. True: it was a huge El Niño year. Now we are on the way back down, they will say. Nonsense. The underlying trend remains upwards; and as every decade passes, natural cycles can do less and less to counter the growing human influence on temperature.

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1 posted on 06/06/2008 10:09:52 PM PDT by melt
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So there you have it. The Global Warmists are latching on to a new argument: Global Warming causes Global Cooling...

3 posted on 06/06/2008 10:11:58 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: melt

What tripe. Cooling —> Natural and Good, even though it leads to crop failure and starvation. Warming —> Man made and Bad, even though it leads to a more temperate world more conducive to growing crops.


4 posted on 06/06/2008 10:12:29 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: melt
" It is the inevitable consequence of one of nature's climatic cycles."

Oh, so now we actually have "climatic cycles". Thanks for the update.

5 posted on 06/06/2008 10:13:16 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum (An Oath is Forever))
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To: melt
This is no refutation of man-made global warming. It is the inevitable consequence of one of nature's climatic cycles.

Wait. Let me get this straight: Cooling is just a part of nature's cycle but a numerically smaller amount of warming over a longer period of time is a man made catastrophe?

Mark Twain talked about invincible ignorance. He was too optimistic.

6 posted on 06/06/2008 10:16:06 PM PDT by irv
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To: melt

Lets see if I have the Guardian’s logic straight.

Warming caused by man.

Cooling caused by nature’s usual cycles.

It’s kind of cool this evening so I’m thinking a good ole’ carbon belch should help warm things up.


7 posted on 06/06/2008 10:17:15 PM PDT by A message
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To: melt
This is no refutation of man-made global warming. It is the inevitable consequence of one of nature's climatic cycles.

The phrase "nature's climatic cycles" is a refutation of man-made global warming however.

8 posted on 06/06/2008 10:17:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: melt
They think nature's cooling will be more than counterbalanced by the warming effect of man-made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere

If it warms: global warming.

If it cools: climate change.

If it stays the same: nature's cooling will be more than counterbalanced by the warming effect of man-made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Good. All the bases are covered.
9 posted on 06/06/2008 10:19:01 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: melt
The deniers of global warming are about to latch on to a new argument. The world is cooling. And they are right - well, slightly.

The promoters of global warming had predicted accelerated warming by now.

The deniers of global warming had predicted that it would start cooling by now.

Now exactly who is latching on to a "new" argument?

10 posted on 06/06/2008 10:23:51 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: melt
These people are so persuaded that everything manmade is evil, that they will blame every change on man, and will predict doom as a result of mankind's effects.

It starts with an idea: man is bad for the world. Facts are filtered and organized to support the preconception. Any facts which can't be made to fit are ignored. If it's actually getting colder instead of warmer, that's only temporary. It must be El Niño. It couldn't be the sun.

If you don't fall into line, you are a “denier”. Lemmings.

11 posted on 06/06/2008 10:24:43 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: melt

“The deniers of global warming...

Should we start calling them the Global Cooling deniers?


12 posted on 06/06/2008 10:26:28 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Rocky

It’s the “white guilt” thing, applied to an entire species.


13 posted on 06/06/2008 10:27:43 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: melt
Physicists have known for 200 years about greenhouse gases. They first calculated the likely global effect 100 years ago. They have been measuring the accumulation of these gases for 60 years. The world has been warming strongly for 30 years, and nobody has come up with a half-way plausible explanation other than the most obvious. It's the greenhouse gases, stupid.

Well physicists, unlike global warming alarmists, have known the overwhelmingly dominant greenhouse gas is water vapor, and that carbon dioxide has almost no effect at all, stupid.

14 posted on 06/06/2008 10:29:41 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: melt

“Global warming” hoax BUMP!


15 posted on 06/06/2008 10:32:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: melt
See, there they go saying that even thought the climate naturally cools (and warms) we are still causing climate change.
16 posted on 06/06/2008 10:34:09 PM PDT by chaos_5 (Proud to be one of the 10% not rallying around McCain)
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To: melt

17 posted on 06/06/2008 10:34:29 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: melt
They think nature's cooling will be more than counterbalanced by the warming effect of man-made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Hey, I'm just curious...... would these people be as alarmed or upset if the global warming was not man-made? Would they point out some of the benefits of warming?

One more question; If we all agreed that global warming is man-made, just how hot do they think we could make it?

18 posted on 06/06/2008 10:35:07 PM PDT by umgud
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19 posted on 06/06/2008 10:35:12 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: melt

20 posted on 06/06/2008 10:36:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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