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Californian exclusive: Clerk went to great lengths to get out of same-sex ceremonies
The Bakersfield Californian ^ | 6/5/08 | Staff

Posted on 06/05/2008 9:21:12 PM PDT by umgud

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To: fwdude

Gee, I guess “Party A” could equally well be “Hold My Pickle Holding Company, LLC”

And “Party B” could be “Redwood Round Receiving, Inc.”

Look, a new venue for “Corporate Mergers”!


41 posted on 06/06/2008 1:42:56 AM PDT by HKMk23 (Only The Tribulation is a crucible sufficient to the emergence of a Bride fit for her Bridegroom God)
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To: umgud
I live in San Francisco, and the largest employer in the city is the city government. Needless to say, that is NOT a good thing. I have had many opportunities to work for the city and make a lot of money doing something close to nothing but know that at any time, some jackass Supervisor, political hack/crony or Mayor can ask me to do something totally stupid, immoral, or even illegal (like issuing marriage licenses to gay couples was) and I would be duty bound to follow directions at the risk of losing my livelihood.

I have made a personal vow to never be so desperate for money that I would take a job working for whichever piece of filth is elected Mayor.

42 posted on 06/06/2008 2:17:28 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Calling Bush a "chimp?" PC. Calling Obama a "chimp?" Hate Speech.)
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To: calinative

> Marriages between different tribes was also once
> considered an abomination before “God.”

Not in the Bible.

Moses was married to a Chushite (Black), and Solomon was married to an Ethiopian.

You can read about Moses’ family’s reaction to his Cushite wife in Numbers chapter 12. They were very unhappy with his choice, but God had another perspective.

Read for yourselves.

However, the Bible says that it is an abomination for men to lust after men and for women to lust after women. You can read about that in the New Testament in Romans 1, as well as in Leviticus and Deuteronomy in the Old Testament.


43 posted on 06/06/2008 2:40:47 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: calinative
I wonder if she’d have done the same thing after the Perez v. Sharp ruling in 1948

If she is doing it out of religious conviction and NOT bigotry, she would not.

Perez was argued on the basis of Andrea Perez's convictions as a Roman Catholic. Miss Perez was a Mexican-American woman considered "white" because she was not "Malay," "Mongolian," "mulatto," or "black," as was her fiance, Sylvester Davis. She said her church didn't say she couldn't marry a black man, and if the State of California did, it was a violation of her First Amendment rights.

Mrs. Davis died in 2000. If she was a devout Catholic until death, we know what she would have thought about her case opening the door for homomarriage.

44 posted on 06/06/2008 2:45:00 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Calling Bush a "chimp?" PC. Calling Obama a "chimp?" Hate Speech.)
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To: Westbrook
However, the Bible says that it is an abomination for men to lust after men and for women to lust after women. You can read about that in the New Testament in Romans 1, as well as in Leviticus and Deuteronomy in the Old Testament.

And another thing: Unlike "mixed" marriages, there is NO instance in the scriptures of the OT or NT that make any reference to a homosexual union of any two persons in approving terms. None whatsoever.

If the past is any indication of what may come, there may be sanctions against denominations that refuse to place homo and traditional marriage on an equal plane. But they will NEVER be able to legislate changing the Bible.

Well...if they do...in the words of Charlton Heston: "From my cold, dead hands!"

45 posted on 06/06/2008 2:56:24 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Calling Bush a "chimp?" PC. Calling Obama a "chimp?" Hate Speech.)
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To: calinative

So. A 4-3 “ruling” by one of the most liberal, if not THE most liberal courts in America makes homosexual marriage “okay” to you?

If, by fiat, that same court decided that it is fine for your tax dollars to be used for euthanasia, then that would be “okay” with you?

Please explain how opposition to homosexual marriage is analogous to racism.


46 posted on 06/06/2008 3:31:53 AM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: Westbrook; calnative

Somehow, I think that your entreaty to calnative to check the Bible is akin to asking the California or Massachusetts legislatures to respect the will of the people.


47 posted on 06/06/2008 3:36:12 AM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: tang-soo
"...And that case has what to do with this issue?..."

It shows that even misguided dimwits can use a computer to search the Internet for something they think is relative.

48 posted on 06/06/2008 3:37:51 AM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: calinative
"Marriages between different tribes was also once considered an abomination before “God.”

Does the Bible mention anything regarding marriage and race?

49 posted on 06/06/2008 3:41:15 AM PDT by lexusppd
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To: calinative

Well, then, I guess we just have to take it when 4 out of 7 black robed philosopher kings say that thousands of years of history, culture, and nature are wrong, and they, in their infinite wisdom, are wiser than anyone that has ever lived, and wiser than the Creator.


50 posted on 06/06/2008 3:50:00 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Reddy

Actually, it doesn’t “redefine” as much as it “undefines”.


51 posted on 06/06/2008 3:51:22 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: A message

Unless said “sane Bolshevik” had the goal of destroying marriage and family with the end goal of worship of the state.


52 posted on 06/06/2008 3:52:50 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: fwdude

I’ve seen the argument “unless there are laws that are outlawing hetero marriage, homo marriage is no threat”.

Obviously, outlawing the use of “husband, wife, mother, father” are de facto outlawing the recognition of marriage.

To which the reply was that these efforts were minimal and do not apply to the argument.


53 posted on 06/06/2008 3:55:42 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: rlmorel

I’m betting calinative’s favorite “Bible verse” is “Judge not”

without any context, nor knowledge of the complete verse.


54 posted on 06/06/2008 3:59:27 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: rockrr

I don’t think this is a casualty. She could actually grow an unexpected future because of this...


55 posted on 06/06/2008 4:55:02 AM PDT by Mmmike
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To: skr

Well put. I also do not accept the comparison of “homosexual marriage” to interracial marriage. Two separate things. Humans have interracially mixed since we learned to cross great bodies of water. Homosexual behavior has been around as well, but we never pretended that it was marriage.


56 posted on 06/06/2008 7:11:35 AM PDT by Clock King (Under revision...)
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To: AnalogReigns

Good post. And like most good posts that drive the point home, it is accompanied by crickets from the other side.


57 posted on 06/06/2008 8:25:22 AM PDT by Kevmo (SURFRINAGWIASS : Shut Up RINOs. Free Republic is not a GOP Website. It's a SOCON Site.)
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To: wardaddy; calinative

I agree. It looks like we’re in before the Zot.

IB4Z


58 posted on 06/06/2008 8:29:20 AM PDT by Kevmo (SURFRINAGWIASS : Shut Up RINOs. Free Republic is not a GOP Website. It's a SOCON Site.)
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To: MrB

Well, then, I guess we just have to take it when 4 out of 7 black robed philosopher kings say that thousands of years of history, culture, and nature are wrong, and they, in their infinite wisdom, are wiser than anyone that has ever lived, and wiser than the Creator.
***Well said. So I’m copying it for when I need to search for it later.


59 posted on 06/06/2008 8:31:35 AM PDT by Kevmo (SURFRINAGWIASS : Shut Up RINOs. Free Republic is not a GOP Website. It's a SOCON Site.)
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To: calinative

“I wonder if she’d have done the same thing after the Perez v. Sharp
ruling in 1948”

Just so some lurkers/posters that have been too busy with working jobs
know what you are talking about...
here’s a link to the Wikipedia listing on the subject.
(As always, I give the boilerplate warning of “verify before trusting” when
reading Wiki articles)

Perez v. Sharp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perez_v._Sharp


60 posted on 06/06/2008 9:13:08 AM PDT by VOA
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