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Rejecting Obama's Radical Friends (Unbelievable!)
Time Magazine ^ | May 29, 2008 | Michael Kinsley

Posted on 05/31/2008 2:23:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, best known recently as friends of Barack Obama, disappeared in 1969 after two of their colleagues in the Weather Underground died while building a bomb. Ayers and Dohrn spent 11 years setting off bombs and putting out statements threatening violent revolution. They promised to kill innocent Americans and praised the lunatic murderer Charles Manson. In 1981 two policemen and a security guard were killed in the botched holdup of a Brinks truck. Fake IDs used to rent getaway cars in an earlier robbery had been traced to a store where Dohrn worked. A grand jury wanted her testimony. She refused. Said she didn't believe in grand juries. Spent seven months in jail, and then the matter was dropped. Other charges against Ayers and Dohrn were dropped because the evidence was tainted by the Nixon Administration's illegal wiretaps. Ayers put it well: "Guilty as hell, and free as a bird. It's a great country."

Years later, Ayers threw a fund-raising party for Obama. They sat together on the board of a community group. Is this association between Obama and these dangerous radicals a scandal? Or is the scandal digging up all this ancient history? Those have been the options in the debate. But the truth is a third option: Ayers and Dohrn are despicable, and yet making an issue of Obama's relationship with them is absurd.

In America we believe in redemption and even self-reinvention. And we don't usually require stagy Stalinesque recantations. But Dohrn and Ayers test the limits of that generosity. They remain spectacularly unrepentant, self-indulgent, unreflective--still bloated with a sense of entitlement, still smug with certainty. They are dead to irony. Dohrn declared her contempt for the judicial system but wanted into the bar association.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; ayers; corruption; democrats; election; electionpresident; elections; elections2008; kinsley; obama; terrorism
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Where is the country I was born in? Can anyone tell me where it went?
1 posted on 05/31/2008 2:23:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Other charges against Ayers and Dohrn were dropped because the evidence was tainted by the Nixon Administration's illegal wiretaps.

It wasn't Nixon who SNAFUed the investigation, it was the FBI agent in charge, Mark Felt, later known as Deep Throat. Felt would have gone to prison if not pardoned by President Reagan. Perhaps he should have.

2 posted on 05/31/2008 2:32:43 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dohrn and Ayers - they are dead to irony, and should be simply dead.


3 posted on 05/31/2008 2:35:48 AM PDT by flowerplough ("articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
yet making an issue of Obama's relationship with them is absurd

Absurd. That a man would relish associations with saboteurs, seditionists and murderers, and yet the same man sees himself President of the US.

Absurd. That a man barely into a US Senate career and with only enough votes to keep his job thnks he can see himself President of the US.

Absurd. That a man's long friendship with people who hate the very country he claims as his own sees himself President of the US.

Absurd. That a man would want to disassemble the US military, space and naval efforts and yet can see himself President of the US.

Absurd. That a man who turns from common public displays of patriotism sees himself President of the US.

Absurd. That the voting public can see Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama as President of the US.

4 posted on 05/31/2008 2:40:29 AM PDT by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: iowamark

I remember when Felt died and his family was demanding money for his role as “Deep Throat”. Does anyone have thirty pieces of silver to throw at them?


5 posted on 05/31/2008 2:45:09 AM PDT by laconic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ayers and Dohrn never posed any real threat to U.S. national security. Their asinine chatter about killing people and their anti-American sloganeering were as ineffective as their bombs. But they did real harm. Their victims were liberals:

Good Lord could Kinsely be any more self indulgent.

These guys wreak havok on any American, in their way and Kinsely feels singled out as a liberal...pathetic.

I think the real, obvious truth about Obama, is the comapany he keeps.

Racist, traitors, terrorist, anarchist and even the mob have not been denounced by Obama......but his family, he all but dis-owns a Grand Mother, who's ,crime, was being afraid of the wrong colored man at a bus stop.

For B. Hussein, its about power, Anti-American Power.

6 posted on 05/31/2008 2:47:59 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some good points in the article.

If Obama's relationship with Ayers, however tangential, exposes Obama as a radical himself, or at least as a man with terrible judgment, he shares that radicalism or terrible judgment with a comically respectable list of Chicagoans and others--including Republicans and conservatives--who have embraced Ayers and Dohrn as good company, good citizens, even experts on children's issues.

7 posted on 05/31/2008 2:53:22 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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” 1981 two policemen and a security guard were killed “
I find it hard to believe after all this time other cops haven’t taken up the cause to end these cop murderers laughing.


8 posted on 05/31/2008 3:00:40 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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But the truth is a third option: Ayers and Dohrn are despicable, and yet making an issue of Obama's relationship with them is absurd.

And this "option" is, of course, absurd. Audacious, even. Which is why it works so well in the Obama campaign, which seems to run on "audacity."

9 posted on 05/31/2008 3:14:31 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Obama's a front man. Who's behind him?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In America we believe in redemption and even self-reinvention.

The are unrepentant terrorist! People are dead because of them. What have they done to redeem themselves? They still promote the same hate-filled anit-American commie politics today. Of course, so does Time.

10 posted on 05/31/2008 3:26:47 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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>>If Obama’s relationship with Ayers, however tangential, exposes Obama as a radical himself, or at least as a man with terrible judgment, he shares that radicalism or terrible judgment with a comically respectable list of Chicagoans and others—<<

Time is just doing the heavy lifting for Barry, trying to take the sting out of this relationship. I think the picture of Ayers standing on a crumpled American flag will be everywhere come election time.

For some reason, Barry's relationship with the bisexual Ayers makes me very uncomfortable. Much more so than those two men who have come forward with their alleged stories. I don't know why, it just seems like Barry tries to cover this up more than anything else. He was supposedly speaking extemporaneously during the debate where he said he was eight yrs. old when Ayers committed his crimes. He didn't even have to think about the math, he had it down cold. It was too quick and too slick. I think Barry wants to hide Ayers in plain sight with articles like this one.

11 posted on 05/31/2008 3:27:28 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: combat_boots
What's really absurd is Kinsley's bald-faced assertion that we should pay Obama's obeisances to the Weather Underground no mind.

Why, because he says so? Good luck with that one!

12 posted on 05/31/2008 4:01:37 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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I think Barry wants to hide Ayers in plain sight with articles like this one.

DING! DING! DING!

No more calls, please, we have a winner!

13 posted on 05/31/2008 4:04:32 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People with such strong, unrepentant, anti-American feelings shouldn’t be anywhere near the President.


14 posted on 05/31/2008 4:15:59 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fact that Michael Kinsley wrote the article means he and a lot of other Obama$$e$ are concerned about the Ayers/Dohrn connection.


15 posted on 05/31/2008 4:29:39 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bookmarked for reference


16 posted on 05/31/2008 4:31:24 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey ayes wasn’t convicted. He is now an English professor at some university. If barack curious george mcgovern thinks he is fooling us about ayes why doesn’t he float his name for VP? Yeah right!


17 posted on 05/31/2008 4:34:25 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Kakaze

“I think the real, obvious truth about Obama, is the comapany he keeps.”

So do I !


18 posted on 05/31/2008 4:38:20 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am glad I read this thread. The article does downplay Ayers and Dorhn’s effect now. Sort of like they were young so don't worry about it now. But what about all the poison they have managed to spread to young minds? What about all he poison Obama has internalized from Rev Wright? They say “Birds of a feather, flock together.” Someone was right about no overt action, like setting off bombs. We will just get a complete step down in our military preparedness. Most Americans probably won't even pay attention. This is deadly considering how the world is now. The money would also be gone in an instance for more dem programs. Israel is being squeezed more and more and Obama is already surrounded by anti-semite advisors. Look at the bigger picture. It's scary.
19 posted on 05/31/2008 5:00:46 AM PDT by Misschuck
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We aren't seeing the real Obama ...

He speaks so smoothly about unity, healing, change. Meanwhile, all his associates are America-hating, bomb-throwing anarchists, ... or Black liberation, white-hating racists, ... or Chicago mob criminals. Even his wife - his closest relationship - an educationally elite woman, displays the "angry-Black-victim-mentality" of a drug addicted welfare queen. I believe that a man keeps the company he is most comfortable with.

We aren't seeing the real Obama.

20 posted on 05/31/2008 5:15:22 AM PDT by bimbo
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