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Amazon tribe sighting raises dilemma
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Posted on 05/30/2008 3:55:58 PM PDT by marthemaria

Dramatic photographs ofpreviously unfound Amazon Indians have highlighted theprecariousness of the few remaining "lost" tribes and thedangers they face from contact with outsiders.

The bow-and-arrow wielding Indians in the pictures releasedon Thursday are likely the remnants of a larger tribe who wereforced deeper into the forest by encroaching settlement,experts said.

Rather than being "lost", they have likely had plenty ofcontact with other indigenous groups over the years, saidThomas Lovejoy, an Amazon expert who is president of The HeinzCenter in Washington.

"I think there is an ethical question whether you can inthe end keep them from any contact and I think the answer tothat is no," Lovejoy said.

"The right answer is to have the kind of contact and changethat the tribes themselves manage the pace of it."

The Brazil-Peru border area is one of the world's lastrefuges for such groups, with more than 50 uncontacted tribesthought to live there out of the estimated 100 worldwide.

They are increasingly at risk from development, especiallyon the Peruvian side which has been slower than Brazil torecognize protected areas for indigenous people.

Jose Carlos Meirelles, an official with Brazil's Indianprotection agency who was on the helicopter that overflew thetribe, said they should be left alone as much as possible.

"While we are getting arrows in the face, it's fine," hetold Brazil's Globo newspaper. "The day that they arewell-behaved, they are finished."

Contact with outsiders has historically been disastrous forBrazil's Indians, who now number about 350,000 compared to upto 5 million when the first Europeans arrived.

"In 508 years of history, out of the thousands of tribesthat exist none have adapted well to society in Brazil," saidSydney Possuelo, a former official with Brazil's Indianprotection agency who founded its isolated tribes department.

CONCERN OVER PERU POLICY

In recent years, though, tribes like the Yanomami havesucceeded in winning greater protection by becoming morepolitically organized and forming links with foreignconservationists.

"It's not about making that decision for them. It's aboutmaking time and space to make that decision themselves," saidDavid Hill of the Survival International group.

More than half of the Murunahua tribe in Peru died of coldsand other illness after they were contacted as a result ofdevelopment for the first time in 1996, Hill said.

Sightings of such tribes are not uncommon, occurring onceevery few years in the Brazil-Peru border area where there areestimated to be more than 50 out of the total global number of100 uncontacted tribes.

In 1998, a 200-strong tribe was discovered by Possueloliving in huts under the forest canopy, also in Acre state nearthe Brazil-Peru border.

In September last year, ecologists looking for illegalloggers in Peru spotted a little-known nomadic tribe deep inthe Amazon.

The sighting underscored worries among rights groups thatoil and gas exploration being pushed by the Peruviangovernment, as well as logging, is putting tribes at risk.

Peru has no equivalent to Brazil's long-standing Indianaffairs department, which has a policy of no contact withunknown tribes.

"There is a lot of logging going on over on the Peruvianside," Hill said. "It's had all kinds of effects on the groupsliving there, particularly on the uncontacted groups -- it'sled to violent conflicts and deaths."

In May, Peru's petroleum agency Perupetro said it wouldexclude areas where isolated tribes live from an auction of oiland gas concessions. Perupetro had been under pressure to limitexploration activities near tribal areas, and had cast doubt onthe existence of isolated groups, angering activists.


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1 posted on 05/30/2008 3:55:58 PM PDT by marthemaria
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I think it’s fascinating that there are still human beings who live like this. Do they even know there is technologically advanced world out there?


2 posted on 05/30/2008 3:56:51 PM PDT by MeanGreen2008
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To: marthemaria

Why does the left want to leave these people to rot in the jungle?


3 posted on 05/30/2008 3:58:07 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: marthemaria

uncontacted by whom? other tribes mix with them, and those other tribes, at some point, have been “contacted.”


4 posted on 05/30/2008 3:58:30 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Obama's a front man. Who's behind him?)
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To: MeanGreen2008
Me to.I am amazed as well.Kind of unbelievable
5 posted on 05/30/2008 4:01:00 PM PDT by marthemaria (i)
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We must keep the uncontacted tribes in a zoo, preventing them from any contact or improvement. Even though their life expectancy is probably 35 years or less, this is for their own good.

It’s our own real life Survivor reality show. Whatever you do, don’t let them know we have medicine that works and that snake bites don’t have to be fatal.


6 posted on 05/30/2008 4:01:13 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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People should not be treated like zoo animals, so that we might all go on anthropological field trips.

Most indigenous peoples walk out of the jungle in search of an easier life.

7 posted on 05/30/2008 4:02:34 PM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: YOUGOTIT
Why does the left want to leave these people to rot in the jungle?

There are some legitimate concerns, such as exposing these people to viruses they've never encountered before and have no immunity against. But certainly they should be made aware that there's a wider world with a cleaner, safer, less dangerous way of life out there, and given the opportunity to join that world.
8 posted on 05/30/2008 4:03:23 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: MeanGreen2008
think it’s fascinating that there are still human beings who live like this. Do they even know there is technologically advanced world out there?

My guess is that no, they don't know. I live in Papua, Indonesia and my impression is that when a group here finds out that technology and medicine has been withheld from them, the anger is long lasting and very, very strong.

9 posted on 05/30/2008 4:04:30 PM PDT by Jemian
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contact between technologically advanced cultures and more primitive cultures invariably turns out bad for the less developed culture. They’re wiped out by disease, driven off their land, etc. That’s the way it’s been throughout human history. And if there are alien civilizations out there in the universe, it’ll probably happen to the human race as a whole if we ever make contact. Left vs Right notwithstanding, I don’t see a very good outcome for these people. Probably better for them if they had remained undiscovered.


10 posted on 05/30/2008 4:05:00 PM PDT by kms61
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To: MeanGreen2008
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    A Sentinelese man aims his bow and arrow at an Indian Coast Guard helicopter as it flies over his island on Dec. 28, surveying for tsunami damage. Circumstantial evidence suggests the indigenous tribes of the southern archipelago of Andaman and Nicobar used ancient know-how to save themselves from the catastrophic tsunami.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2023478/posts?page=16#16

11 posted on 05/30/2008 4:06:12 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: marthemaria

Are they a polygamous cult?


12 posted on 05/30/2008 4:07:10 PM PDT by So Circumstanced
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Wonder what their life time is? If they're dying out from simple diseases like malaria, typhoid? Surely, they're not expanding and will become extinct just as many other tribes.

Now, a snail darter or an owl...that's another thing.

13 posted on 05/30/2008 4:07:20 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: MeanGreen2008

I was fascinated too. It’s hard to fathom that in our technologically advanced world there are people who have no knowledge of the world around them. The industrial revolution passed them by! That’s unbelievable. The original article said the Peruvian group are one of many in the world — I’d love to learn more about all of them.


14 posted on 05/30/2008 4:08:12 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: YOUGOTIT

Liberalism, according to James Burnham, is that ideology whose function is to reconcile Western man to the death of his civilization.

Notice that there appears to be no concern that these people have never heard of Jesus Christ, and are unbaptized. The proposition that the Gospel is for every human being to hear is the heart of Western civilization. This is not to approve of the way the European empires “encountered” the people of the New World. The view that it is better for all concerned for these people to live in the Stone Age FOREVER is Liberalism.


15 posted on 05/30/2008 4:08:26 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: YOUGOTIT
Why does the left want to leave these people to rot in the jungle?

For how many centuries do think these people have been 'rot(ing) in the jungle?

16 posted on 05/30/2008 4:13:32 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: marthemaria
Dramatic photographs of previously unfound Amazon Indians have highlighted the precariousness of the few remaining "lost" tribes and the dangers they face from contact with outsiders.

This is nonsense. These people are not "lost" or out of "contact" with the world.

Granted they aren't carrying around Ipod's or blackberrys, but they choose to live like this. They have contact with other tribes and peoples.

I find the use of the word "unfound" interesting rather than using the word "unknown"

Speaks volumes

17 posted on 05/30/2008 4:15:02 PM PDT by Popman
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To: CarrotAndStick
Circumstantial evidence suggests the indigenous tribes of the southern archipelago of Andaman and Nicobar used ancient know-how to save themselves from the catastrophic tsunami

Do they "know how" to run when a huge wave approaches?

18 posted on 05/30/2008 4:17:59 PM PDT by Defiant (McCain's big vein drains mainly from his brain.)
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To: marthemaria
“with more than 50 uncontacted tribes thought to live there out of the estimated 100 worldwide.”

Interesting. I wonder where the other 50 uncontacted tribes would be located?

19 posted on 05/30/2008 4:18:42 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Defiant

That I don’t know. Perhaps they might have observed birds swimming towards the shore suddenly, or things like that, and then ran to higher grounds.


20 posted on 05/30/2008 4:20:57 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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