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Vet Faces Lawsuit For Flying American Flag
Channel 6 ^ | 5/27/08

Posted on 05/27/2008 6:54:11 AM PDT by peggybac

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To: svcw

“He needs to run for the board and change the rules.
Having said that - do not take down the flag make then take you to court.”

Yes, that’s what we thought. So the Board changed the election rules. They won’t allow any statements on policy or anything regarding the HOA in an election. They just don’t have to follow the law, so they don’t.

This is the board statement: “Biographical statements may not advocate any particular position on any issue, nor can they contain campaign statements. The Association shall not edit or redact any Biographical statement content but will REJECT those statements that contain prohibited items”

And what the law says:

(1) Ensure that any candidate or member advocating a point of view is provided access to association media, newsletters, or Internet Web sites during a campaign, for purposes that are reasonably related to that election. Equal access shall be provided to all candidates and members advocating a point of view, including those not endorsed by the board, for purposes that are reasonably related to the election. The association shall not edit or redact any content from these communications, but may include a statement specifying that the candidate or member, and not the association, is responsible for that content.


41 posted on 05/27/2008 8:13:25 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! ..........Because ya can't blame 'the man' when you are the 'man'.... Wanda Sikes)
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To: peggybac

We moved into a neighborhood that called the city code enforcement officer on us because while we were moving, we left boxes on our front porch for a few nights. Needless to say, we won’t be joining the neighborhood association.


42 posted on 05/27/2008 8:13:37 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: peggybac

Somebody needs a bigger flag


43 posted on 05/27/2008 8:30:27 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: peggybac

I pledge allegiance to the HOA
of city of Clermont of Florida,
and to the Fascism for which it stands:
one HOA under thumbs, monthly fundable,
with no-Liberty and Law Suits for all.


44 posted on 05/27/2008 8:34:53 AM PDT by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: vietvet67
You can do better than that. :-)

Oh, I will be. Best to slowly poke the finger in the eye ever harder each time than to just jab it in there all at once.

There are several of us, including members of the board (of which I am not) who are laying the groundwork for "Operation Bite Me" to really cheese off the management company, HOA board members, and pain in the ass neighbors with nothing better to do than seek out CC&R violations.

45 posted on 05/27/2008 8:40:31 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: CholeraJoe

I don’t think those are HOA rules, but deed restrictions put in place by the owner way back when.


46 posted on 05/27/2008 8:43:11 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: ViLaLuz
I had a builder call the city code enforcement on me since he felt I was not in compliance with the CC&Rs in the tract (there is no HOA) and he was building adjacent to us. The code enforcement guy sent us a notice of potential infraction without looking at the property or reading the CC&Rs. I pointed out he did not have privity of contract and he could only enforce city code, not a private contract. He disagreed, but then after checking with the city attorney, concurred with me. The builder was pissed.

However in that process I learned that the past few house the builder had finished had several city code and CC&R infractions. Also most of my neighbors had violations as well. At this time I am trying to get an HOA formed for the expressed purpose of lifting the deed restrictions and then dissolving.

47 posted on 05/27/2008 8:56:24 AM PDT by Starwolf (I rode to work today, did you?)
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To: ViLaLuz

It’s interesting how some HOAs are so strict and some are not. I live in a very sought out subdivision and some of the lawns and homes look like crap. My neighbor hasn’t cut her back lawn (hidden by a 6’ wooden fence) but I’m noticing critters in my yard then running back over to hers when my dogs come out. There’s no telling what is living in that back yard. I’ve already found a dead mouse on my lawn and I cut it regularly.


48 posted on 05/27/2008 9:13:52 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Redbob
In many places there's a MUD (Municipal Utility District) which was formed to provide water, wastewater, and often garbage pickup services for a particular development.

The construction of the utilities owned by the MUD was financed by bonds, whose method of retirment is through a slice of the taxes paid by property owners.

Often, particularly when there's no effective HOA, the MUD has the right (according to Texas law, anyway) to enforce deed restrictions, on the theory that declining standards in the neighborhood leads to a decline in property values, which leads to a decline in tax revenues, which leads to an increase in the risk of the MUD being unable to service its bonds.

That's the theory, anyway. The practical problem, of course, is how, and how broadly/narrowly/stringently the restrictive covenants get interpreted and enforced.

The case at hand seems like OZ (overzealousness) on the part of some HOA rules enforcer. Did the restrictive covenant really mention the flying of flags and place restrictions thereon? Was the flag-flyer putting up a thousand-square-foot flag? (I confess in advance to having only skimmed the OP <}B^)

49 posted on 05/27/2008 9:14:29 AM PDT by Erasmus (Nihilism never amounted to anything.)
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To: Phantom Lord

You might be right. I can’t remember.


50 posted on 05/27/2008 9:16:32 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Lord, Keep Barack Obama safe. Otherwise, we'll have to change all them street names.)
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To: Redbob
Once the last parcel was sold, we threw the developer out and along with two others, broke the association by refusing to attend meetings: the bylaws requiring at least 4 out of the 6 being in attendance to have a quorum.

I think it is unusual for a developer to continue to be interested in the enforcement of restrictive covenants once he has completed building out his development. In your case, did this developer have plans for expanding into adjacent areas?

51 posted on 05/27/2008 9:19:05 AM PDT by Erasmus (Nihilism never amounted to anything.)
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To: CholeraJoe
A lot of those things date back to the 1800's and early 1900's. Including the land President Bush's ranch is on if memory serves me right.

I doubt HOAs existed back then.

52 posted on 05/27/2008 9:26:14 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: FES0844

The HOA is banning the pole not the FLAG, which is federally protected.


53 posted on 05/27/2008 9:43:51 AM PDT by colinhester
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To: Phantom Lord

“Operation Bite Me”

LOL. First good laugh I’ve had all day.

Give um hell.


54 posted on 05/27/2008 10:09:52 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: CholeraJoe; at bay

Sorry, dudes, but just because higher law trumps HOAs on racial discrimination, antennas, and such (by specific statute) does not mean that it trumps on flag flying prohibitions.

Disagree? Show me the law.


55 posted on 05/27/2008 10:16:22 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don?t kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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To: Beelzebubba
H.R. 42 [109th]: Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005

Signed into law July 24, 2006.

56 posted on 05/27/2008 10:37:36 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Lord, Keep Barack Obama safe. Otherwise, we'll have to change all them street names.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Disagree? Show me the law.

It was actually a proclamation:

We, the other posters on this thread, having duly considered the nonsense beelsandwhizzles spews herein, proclaim May 27th of this year, and each year hence, as "beelsandwhizzles get-a-life day".

57 posted on 05/27/2008 10:40:04 AM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil......" Eric Schmidt, CEO, Google)
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To: Beelzebubba
See also Florida Statutes 720.304 (2)
720.304 Right of owners to peaceably assemble; display of flag; SLAPP suits prohibited.--
(2) Any homeowner may display one portable, removable United States flag or official flag of the State of Florida in a respectful manner, and on Armed Forces Day, Memorial Day, Flag Day, Independence Day, and Veterans Day may display in a respectful manner portable, removable official flags, not larger than 41/2 feet by 6 feet, which represent the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, or Coast Guard, regardless of any declaration rules or requirements dealing with flags or decorations.

58 posted on 05/27/2008 1:13:45 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Just because you're running for President doesn't mean that you are the center of the universe")
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To: Doohickey

Liberals created hellholes in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts and other places; then fled south. It takes a special kind of denial for these transplants to not realize they they were the problem.

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For God sake, dont tell them about Texas...


59 posted on 05/27/2008 1:51:33 PM PDT by Former MSM Viewer ("We will hunt the terrorists in every dark corner of the earth. We will be relentless." W 2001)
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To: NonValueAdded

Thank you. If this is the law, I suspect that there is more to the story.


60 posted on 05/27/2008 3:42:05 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don?t kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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