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A New Argument About Immigration ( Phyllis Schlafly )
townhall.com ^ | May 26, 2008 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 05/26/2008 7:21:46 AM PDT by kellynla

Many arguments, pro and con, about how to deal with illegal aliens have been passionately debated over the past couple of years, but there are still other arguments that need public exposure. Mark Krikorian presents a new argument in his forthcoming book called "The New Case Against Immigration, Both Legal and Illegal."

The pro-more-immigration crowd argues that today's immigrants are just like immigrants of a century ago: poor people looking for a better life who are expected to advance in our land of opportunity. Krikorian's new argument is that while today's immigrants may be like earlier ones, the America they come to is so very different that our previous experience with immigrants is practically irrelevant.

The essential difference between the two waves of immigrants was best summed up by the Nobel Prize-winning advocate of a free market, Milton Friedman. He said, "It's just obvious that you can't have free immigration and a welfare state."

The term "welfare state" does not just mean handouts to the nonworking. Our welfare state encompasses dozens of social programs that provide benefits to the "working poor," i.e., people working for wages low enough that they pay little or no income taxes.

Immigrants of the previous generation were expected to earn their own living, pay taxes like everybody else, learn our language, love America and assimilate into our culture. Today's immigrants likewise come here for jobs not welfare.

During those prior major waves of immigration, the United States didn't have a welfare state. Native-born Americans survived the Great Depression of the 1930s without a welfare state.

The Social Security retirement system was established only in 1935. Most other agencies that redistribute cash and costly benefits from taxpayers to non-taxpayers started with Lyndon Johnson's Great Society in the late 1960s.

Today's low-wage immigrants and lower-wage illegals can't earn what it costs to live in modern America, so they supplement with means-tested taxpayer benefits. And many immigrants don't learn our language or assimilate into American culture because of the multicultural diversity taught in our schools and encouraged in our society.

Today's immigrants fit the profile of the people who benefit from our welfare state: the working poor with large families. Krikorian sets forth some dismal figures.

About 30 percent of all immigrants in the U.S. work force in 2005 lacked a high school education, which is four times the rate for native-born Americans. Among the largest group of working-age immigrants, the Mexicans, 62 percent have less than a high-school education, which means they work low-wage jobs. Nearly half of immigrant households, 45 percent, are in or near poverty compared with 29 percent of native-headed households. Among Mexicans living in the United States, nearly two-thirds live in or near the government's definition of poverty.

Costly social benefits provided to the working poor include Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (now called TANF, formerly AFDC), food stamps, school lunches, Medicaid, WIC (nutrition for Women, Infants and Children), public housing and Supplemental Security Income.

The Earned Income Tax Credit is one of the most expensive parts of income redistribution. Twice as many immigrant households (30 percent) qualify for this cash handout as native-headed households (15 percent).

Health care is another huge cost. Nearly half of immigrants are either uninsured or on Medicaid, which is nearly double the rate for native-born families. Federal law requires hospitals to treat all comers to emergency rooms, even if uninsured and unable to pay.

Hospitals try to shift the costs onto their paying patients, and when the hospitals exhaust their ability to do this, they close their doors. In Los Angeles, 60 hospitals have closed their emergency rooms over the past decade, which imposes another kind of cost.

Immigration accounts for nearly all the growth in elementary and secondary school enrollment over the past generation. The children of immigrants now comprise 19 percent of the school-age population and 21 percent of the preschool population.

The Heritage Foundation estimated that in order to reduce government payments to the average low-skill household to a level equal to the taxes it pays, "it would be necessary to eliminate Social Security and Medicare, all means-tested welfare, and to cut expenditures on public education roughly in half." Obviously, that is not going to happen.

Attempts to limit welfare eligibility for illegal aliens by provisions added to the 1996 welfare reform law, SSI, food stamps, Medicaid and TANF all failed. Krikorian concludes that "Walling immigrants off from government benefits once we've let them in is a fantasy."

As Americans are pinched between falling real estate values and the inflation of necessities such as gasoline, they are entitled to know how their tax dollars are being spent. The big bite that social benefits to immigrants (one-third of whom are illegal) takes out of taxpayers' paychecks should be factored into any debate about immigration or amnesty policy.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; schlafly; welfare
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1 posted on 05/26/2008 7:21:46 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; Travis McGee

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2 posted on 05/26/2008 7:22:12 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
In Los Angeles, 60 hospitals have closed their emergency rooms over the past decade

60 hospitals......in Los Angeles? Sheesh, how many hospitals do they need?

3 posted on 05/26/2008 7:26:49 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: kellynla
FWIW, Dick Morris said that Barak Obama would have to ration health care to America's elderly to provide care to the 10-12 million illegal aliens in this country if Obama's socialized health care scam becomes law.

Morris said that that is the issue that would allow McCain to defeat Obama in November.

4 posted on 05/26/2008 7:31:13 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: kellynla
Krikorian's new argument is that while today's immigrants may be like earlier ones, the America they come to is so very different that our previous experience with immigrants is practically irrelevant.

Absolutely true,

5 posted on 05/26/2008 7:31:53 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: kellynla
As Americans are pinched between falling real estate values and the inflation of necessities such as gasoline, they are entitled to know how their tax dollars are being spent.

No. Americans have ALWAYS been tentitled to know how their tax dollars are spent.

We need a spreadsheet out there somewhere that LISTS what is being sent WHERE. Yes, I occasionally live in a fantasy world. < /s >

6 posted on 05/26/2008 7:32:52 AM PDT by FrogMom
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To: Puppage
“how many hospitals do they need?”

With a Los Angeles county population of almost ten million and numerous illegal aliens showing up at emergency rooms every day looking for nonemergency medical care and for free, we need all the hospitals we can get.

7 posted on 05/26/2008 7:36:20 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Good article. Thanks. Phyllis is one of the good ones.


8 posted on 05/26/2008 7:36:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you continue to hold your nose and vote, your nation will stink worse after every election.)
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To: kellynla

Phyllis Schlafly is sharp as a tack at 83.


9 posted on 05/26/2008 7:38:48 AM PDT by devere
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To: Puppage

To be honest, I flew over LA yesterday for the first time, and that city is HUGE, at least land area wise, and seems pretty densely populated. They have nearly 4 million people in that city.

That 60 hospitals have closed their ER’s does not sound outrageous to me. I live in Massachusetts, not an area with an illegal population that compares to Texas, Arizona or California, and an ER in a small community hospital I went into recently was 1/3 full, and all were hispanic in origin. That was one hospital on one day.


10 posted on 05/26/2008 7:39:26 AM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: kellynla

Right...probably meant Los Angeles County maybe?


11 posted on 05/26/2008 7:40:47 AM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: devere

bttt


12 posted on 05/26/2008 7:44:53 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: kellynla

Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (now called TANF,

Most likely that should be PANF, Permanent Assistance to Needy Families?


13 posted on 05/26/2008 7:49:01 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: FrogMom

I want not only a spreadsheet of where the taxes go, but a check list on our tax forms: “I will support ...” and then YOU get to check where YOUR taxes go. Boy, would that stop the skullduggery in DC.

Talk about living in a fantasy world.


14 posted on 05/26/2008 7:53:18 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: rlmorel

4 million? You are off by 10 to 15 million. It is one of the biggest cities in the world.


15 posted on 05/26/2008 7:54:40 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: traviskicks

This is an aspect of the illegal alien debate that very few have covered.


16 posted on 05/26/2008 7:57:00 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: kellynla

He [Milton Friedman] said, "It's just obvious that you can't have free immigration and a welfare state."


17 posted on 05/26/2008 7:57:28 AM PDT by Vision Thing ("Moo! Gets out the way!")
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To: Puppage

“60 hospitals......in Los Angeles? Sheesh, how many hospitals do they need?”

and before I leave, there weren’t “60 hospitals closed” but 60 hospitals closed their “emergency rooms” and the reason is that hospitals not only in L.A. but hospitals across America are closing their emergency rooms because they can no longer afford to give FREE medical care. I don’t need to remind you that Federal law demands that hospitals MUST care for EVERYONE who shows up at the emergency room looking for medical care, whether it be an emergency or not and whether those seeking medical care are able to pay for such care or not.


18 posted on 05/26/2008 8:01:05 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

> The Social Security retirement system was established only in 1935. Most other agencies that redistribute cash and costly benefits from taxpayers to non-taxpayers started with Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society in the late 1960s.

Sorry Phyllis, the welfare state started with the end of the Civil War. As freed slaves suddenly had to depend upon themselves for everything, the government set up the Freedmen’s Bureau to provide them with food, clothing, shelter and a stipend to see them through to their first paying jobs and migration North. Unfortunately, like all things of socialism, this promoted dependence upon the handouts. When the Yellow Influenza came home from WW1, many non-black families were devastated by loss of their breadwinners and the only successful system in place was the Freedmen’s Bureau. The stigma of going to this one and only welfare agency could not be overcome until it was renamed the Welfare Department.


19 posted on 05/26/2008 8:03:47 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: kellynla
The essential difference between the two waves of immigrants was best summed up by the Nobel Prize-winning advocate of a free market, Milton Friedman. He said, "It's just obvious that you can't have free immigration and a welfare state."

What is obvious is that the welfare state is destroying America gradually, with or without free immigration, or any immigration.

The Heritage Foundation estimated that in order to reduce government payments to the average low-skill household to a level equal to the taxes it pays, "it would be necessary to eliminate Social Security and Medicare, all means-tested welfare, and to cut expenditures on public education roughly in half." Obviously, that is not going to happen.

It is going to happen, whether we like it or not. If it doesn't first happen in another way, it will happen because of the collapse of our economy.

20 posted on 05/26/2008 8:14:15 AM PDT by Christopher Lincoln
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