(TX) Senate Panel Suggests Taking FLDS Sect's Assets to Cover Costs

Star-Telegram ^ | May. 21, 2008 | JOHN MORITZ

[Lurker]

The 'officials' who dreamed this little clusterf*** up can also seriously be on the hook here.

Look into 18USC241 Conspricacy Against Rights and 18USC242 Deprivation of Civil Rights Under Color Of Law.

If the State of Texas loses its appeal before the SC or Texas, the folks who planned and carried out this little 'raid' are in some very deep kimchi legally speaking.

L

[org.whodat]

The costs of the raid will quickly pale next to the settlements the taxpayers will be paying to the FLDS families for taking their children. How ironic that they will be using tax money to fund the very religion they want to shut down.

Give me the names of the ones willing to file, if they aren't in jail are soon to be, and also the ones willing to get on the witness stand and have an attorney ask them any and everything they wish?? You file and you get to take the witness chair, and then all bets are off.

[TheDon]

It won’t come to that. The gov’t will settle. Crying kids and parents will cost a great deal more.

[HeartlandOfAmerica]

Sure they have a personal grudge against these CITIZENS:

State Rep. Harvey Hilderbran, R-Kerrville whose district includes Eldorado, speculated that law enforcement and CPS probably had a loose plan in place. Hilderbran remembers talking to CPS officials about the ranch in 2005, when he worked to pass a bill targeted at the sect that raised the legal marriage age with parental consent from 14 to 16. The bill passed.

The state of Texas has been working on getting at these people for years. A conspiracy to get them actually. They changed the law concerning legal marriage age, JUST to get these people.

Up until a few years ago, it was legal, with stipulations, to marry at 14. but this cult/sect moves in and the age gets changed right quick to get them.

Did Texas go too far in polygamy case?

ALL that it took to get things rolling in motion was that hoax phone call. I want a LOT more info about that phone call, who made it, and who took it.

[Blood of Tyrants]

I am so glad that you have set yourself up as the ultimate arbiter of what is right and what is wrong with everyone. You make a good busybody. Also, the boys aren’t “tossed out to fend for themselves” as you claim. The boy/girl ratio is pretty even. You have bought every word that the very same media that can’t seem to tell the truth about ANYTHING that has to with liberalism without question.

There are not “old men raping little girls”. In fact, there hasn’t been a single charge against anybody in the entire FLDS. Also, a TOTAL of FIVE girls between 15 and 17 are said to either be pregnant or have given birth, and that is from the lead investigator!

The only “raping of little girls by old men” that is going on is in your overcharged imagination.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2020157/posts?page=13#13

[JustaDumbBlonde]

Scary that folks like you have a vote. [shudder]

[Tennessee Nana]

The only “raping of little girls by old men” that is going on is in your overcharged imagination.
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Ah No....

I never said that.... so

It must all be in your own imagination......

And since everything YOU say is supposedly TRUTH....

Weeeeeelllll....

[greatvikingone]

Just like other marriage amendments....

[norton]

Bump - “conservative” is growing a whole lot of strange definitions around FR...

[Political Junkie Too]

Maybe they can argue that separation of church and state means that the state can't garnish the assets of church just because state finds itself in a hole. Heck, this wall between church and state seems so arbitrary, so why not give it a try?

-PJ

[norton]

"The children have some kind of stability right now..."

You
are
delusional!

[org.whodat]

Only in your wildest dreams, crying kids only applies to non cults. And non parent perverts. Here you have tons of adult male perverts.

LOL

[Spunky]

"To my knowledge"

Well we will just take you at your word, you don't have any.

You do? If so prove it.

[HeartlandOfAmerica]

Here you have tons of adult male perverts.

Boy, none of this innocent until proven guilty nonsense in your sick little universe, is there?

[Domandred]

The FLDS lied to the owners of the property and told them they would be putting in a hunting operation

NOT against the law. They didn't have to tell the previous owners jack squat about what they were doing with it once they owned it.

[org.whodat]

You do? If so prove it.

What, you were the one that said you did not have any knowledge and I was just agreeing with you and now you want me to prove your first statement. What universe are you from??

[org.whodat]

Boy, none of this innocent until proven guilty nonsense in your sick little universe, is there?

Sick perverted old married men raping little girls have no claim on innocent. Only a choice between life are execution.

[Supercharged Merlin]

ALL that it took to get things rolling in motion was that hoax phone call. I want a LOT more info about that phone call, who made it, and who took it.

Apparently it was some kook up in Colorado who's making a career out of doing this. There have been details here on FR, but I can't remember what thread.

To see a nominally Christian community working up a pogrom against this religious group is pretty ugly. Smacks of what Jews suffered in Europe for about a thousand years. Makes me ashamed to even be a Christian.

[Wallace T.]

If the Texas Supreme Court upholds the decision of the appeals court, which was pretty scathing towards CPS, then the FLDS members will be in a strong position to win in judgments against the State of Texas. Here are some excerpts from the Third Court of Appeals decision:

"There was no evidence that the male children, or the female children who had no reached puberty, were victims of sexual or other physical abuse or in danger of being victims of sexual or other physical abuse"

*"... there was no evidence regarding the marital status of [twenty pregnant females identified by CPS as being from 13-20 years of age] when they became pregnant or the circumstances under which they became pregnant other than the general allegation that the girls were living in an FLDS community with a belief system that condoned underage marriage and sex"

CPS "failed to establish that the need for protection of the Realtors' (the name for the 38 women whose children were seized by CPS) children was urgent and required immediate removal of the children.... [N]one of the identified minors who are or have been pregnant are children of Realtors. There is no evidence that any of the five pregnant minors live in the same household as the Realtors' children."

"The notion that the entire ranch community constitutes a `household' as contemplated by section 262.201 [of the Texas Code, which deals with child protection actions] and justifies removing all children from the ranch community if there even is one incident of suspected child sexual abuse is contrary to the evidence. The Department's witnesses acknowledged that the ranch community was divided into separate family groups and separate households. While there was evidence that the living arrangements on the ranch are more communal than most typical neighborhoods, the evidence was not legally or factually sufficient to support a theory that the entire ranch community was a `household.'..."

Unless the State of Texas can strengthen its case and get the Texas Supreme Court to reverse the decision of the lower court, there is going to be major exposure to the taxpayers, irrespective of the legal problems of the cult's leaders.

[hinckley buzzard]

...they cannot simply go after assets without legal basis."

I don't know why not. The thugs can take your children without legal basis, and numerous freepers applaud...