Posted on 05/24/2008 4:23:00 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Behold the global test in action. Pray tell, dear Waffles, from whom will we be reclaiming it?
"Dialogue helps us isolate Ahmadinejad rather than empowering him to isolate us. More important, even if we fail to reach an agreement, engaging Iran will spark three conversations likely to strengthen our position
The third conversation is with the world. By engaging Iran, we reclaim the moral high ground no small feat. If Iran refuses to budge, we have new leverage to expose it as a threat whose bad intentions cannot be explained away."
Im curious to hear how Irans intentions might otherwise be explained away. Presumably he believes, as Obama does, that Irans support for militant groups in Iraq reflected its anxiety over the Bush administrations policies in the region, but as Ive noted before, that theory fails to account for the fact that both Hezbollah and the nuclear program were in business long before Bush came to power. Even under the most blinkered, charitable reading of the regimes behavior, that theyre fighting some sort of defensive war instead of engaging in fundamentalist expansionism (or something even darker), their anxiety over Israels capabilities will remain no matter what sort of deal we reach with them. How far is Kerry willing to go to ease Irans troubled mind? Or to put it differently, after years of negotiations with Europe plus an offer of unspecified concessions from the United States in 2006 which, per Condi Rice, apparently remains on the table, at what point will it be safe to conclude that Iran has refused to budge? This goes to the heart of conservatives fears about Obama, not that hed be willing to talk to Iran before considering a military option but that hell never consider a military option, no matter how dire the threat may become. Its diplomacy literally unto death, which I think is why so many righties equate his rhetoric about negotiation with appeasement. To borrow a favorite concept of the left, how about some benchmarks up front to gauge whether progress in negotiations is sufficient to warrant further diplomacy or whether its time to consider other options?
The other two conversations he has in mind, incidentally, are with the Iranian people, who supposedly need to be formally informed that their governments earning them a bad name internationally even after two rounds of UN sanctions, and with the regime itself, which may ultimately warm to a deal at the right moment even though Democrats are hellbent on removing any leverage we might have in moving the warming process along. Exit question one: If Obama does meet with Iran, itll be perfectly okay if McCain tries to undermine his presidential authority by badmouthing him abroad, right? Exit question two, per Kerrys reminder that Ahmadinejad is neither Irans supreme leader nor someone whom Obama specifically promised to meet: If hes so inconsequential a figure, why did Waffles himself single him out as the world leader hed most like to throw off a cliff two years ago?
Not really Kerry is a phony in both photos and Hanoi Jane is only a phony in one photograph.
Kerry never learned and he is still a phony.
Interesting. The caption below the picture calls Kerry a “former” Vietnam vet. You’re a vet or you aint. When it comes to Kerry, I tend to think the latter.
It's very lonely here, isn't it?
This one isn't.
[note: we're not allowed to post the actual photo here, so please don't]
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp
A Look at Iran
http://www.truthusa.com/IRAN.html
"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small [American] flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.'..."
"The John Kerry quote comes in the epilogue to "The New Soldier," the book put out by Vietnam Veterans Against the War [VVAW]. The book's cover features a group of not-particularly sober-looking anti-war protesters (vets, presumably) flying the American flag upside down [while mocking the historic flag raising event at Iwo Jima]":
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1203164/posts
Note John Kerry's name at top right of The New Soldier
John Kerry: "...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."
"Under questioning from the Committee, Kerry referred to the democratically elected government of South Vietnam -- our allies -- as a "dictatorial regime, the Thieu-Ky-Khiem regime," while respectfully calling the North Vietnamese communist regime we were fighting by its oxymoronic official name, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the murderous Viet Cong's political arm by their preferred "Provisional Revolutionary Government.":
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/lindachavez/lc20040428.shtml
From Frontpagemag.com:
During the question and answer period following his April 22, 1971 televised testimony before the Armed Services Committee of the United States Senate, Kerry said:
"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."
Even today, knowing what we know about the Vietnamese communists and about John Kerry, it is difficult to grasp the enormity of what he was confessing to. As an American citizen and a member of the United States Navywhile his former comrades and countless others were fighting and dying in Vietnam at the hands of Viet Cong guerillas and North Vietnamese regularsKerry consorted with the Viet Cong representative and discussed (talked with, he euphemized) her plan. That obscene plan included a trade: the return of our POWs for a withdrawal of American forces.
As John ONeill expressed in his important bestselling book Unfit For Command, . . . America could have its POWs back only if we agreed that we lost, then surrendered, and then set a date to leave.
Kerrys wartime trip to Paris was confirmed about six months ago by a campaign spokesman, who tossed it off as a mere fact-finding excursion.
Yet Kerry was apparently so impressed with the facts he found in company with the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese that a few months after his return from Paris he had the effrontery to urge the President of the United States to accept his communist hosts plan for 'peace' in Vietnam."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15127
June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971
John Kerry and the VVAW--Hanoi's American Puppets?
"Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group's leading national spokesman."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets
Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) Complete FBI files:
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=VVAWFBI
OTOH, there are more of us than you might think...:)
Brzezinski has praised Obama in this election.
Aren't you glad we have a choice in this election? /s
Okay, Senator Kerry, let’s talk to Iran. Here’s what we should say....
“Either you stop funding terrorism instantly, AND utterly destroy all your nuclear production facilities within 1 week, AND allow free elections within 1 month, or we will launch the contents of one Ohio-class ballistic missle submarine at your country and blow your moose-limb a$$e$ straight to Hell!”
Is that a sufficient dialogue, Senator?
ssshhhh, yer gonna make ‘em cry. Of course I’d be crying hysterically if I had to defend this dipsh*t.
Dan Ratherbiased talking to Saddam Barack Hussein on the eve of the second Gulf/Iraq war did wonders too, no? < /s >
And Amanutjob wouldn’t lie, now would he?
Idiot Kerry still thinks what he says is relevant.
Not in my world.
I vote we let JoKe spend a few weeks in a cell with Charlie Manson. You know just to gain the moral high ground.
QUOTES FROM HARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S BOOKS:
From Dreams of My Father, “ I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.
From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “THE EMOTION BETWEEN THE RACES COULD NEVER BE PURE...THE OTHER RACE WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT; MENACING, ALIEN AND APART.”
From ‘Dreams of My Father’,
“I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER’S RACE AT THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, WHEN I BEGAN TO SUSPECT THAT BY DOING SO I WAS INGRATIATING MYSELF TO WHITES.”
From Dreams Of My Father, “NEVER EMULATE THE WHITE MEN and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER’S IMAGE, THE BLACK MAN, SON OF AFRICA, THAT I’D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF”.
From Dreams Of My Father:
“THAT HATE HADN’T GONE AWAY,” he wrote, BLAMING “WHITE PEOPLE some cruel, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
From Dreams Of My Father;
“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “IT REMAINED NECESSARY TO PROVE WHICH SIDE YOU WERE ON, TO SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT, AND NAME NAMES. “
From Dreams Of My Father, “I HAD GROWN ACCUSTOMED , everywhere, TO SUSPICIONS BETWEEN THE RACES.”
Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father:
“THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, though, was [HALF BROTHER ] ROY .. HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM” .
From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “IN INDONESIA, I HAD SPENT TWO YEARS AT A MUSLIM SCHOOL.”
“I STUDIED THE KORAN.”
From ‘Audacity of Hope: “LOLO (Obama’s step father) FOLLOWED .. ISLAM...” “I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE”.
From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION.”
From The Audacity Of Hope, “WE ARE NO LONGER just A CHRISTIAN NATION..We ARE also a Jewish nation, A MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
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The same kind of terrorists who support Obama did this:
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/attack/
Never apologize for them.
Never appease them.
Never forget.
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“McCains affinity for the hidebound conventional wisdom of our foreign policy solons is not news. As he told the Detroit News during the 2000 campaign, upon being asked about the first thing hed do as president: The first thing that I would do is call in John Kerry, Bob Kerrey, Joe Biden, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, Dick Lugar, Chuck Hagel, and several others and say, Weve got to get foreign policy, national security issues back on track.”
Now there’s a group to be proud of. New revelations every day. I hadn’t seen that one. You have to wonder, “what else?”
Has McCain made any statements about this recently? He’s changed some of his ideas since being defeated in the 2000 campaign.
I think it would be better to bomb the high ground in Iran.
Mr. Kerry would have Mr. Rooster (the US) talk and reason with Mr. Fox (Iran) about staying out of the hen house (Iraq). Mr. Kerry would counsel Mr Rooster to demonstrate to Mr Fox his grace and moral courage and his willingness to take the moral high ground. This will demonstrate the very peaceful intentions of Mr Rooster and the entire chicken coup and should be sufficient to convince Mr Fox to stay out of the hen house...
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