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None of these Marines have the means to pay for a legal defense. Please consider helping, if you can.

Sgt Jermaine Nelson Defense Fund

Make checks payable to Law Firm of Joseph H. Low IV

Mail to:

Law Firm of Joseph H. Low IV
One World Trade Center, Suite 2320
Long Beach, CA 90831

Sgt Ryan Weemer Defense Fund

You can find information, and contribute online, at defendingahero.org.

1 posted on 05/22/2008 5:40:30 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; AliVeritas; ardara; ...
Related article about Jose Nazario's plight: Accused in killing, former Marine speaks, Gidget Fuentes, Marine Corps Times, May 15, 2008


2 posted on 05/22/2008 5:43:18 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

There are no victims, physical evidence, or crime scene, evidence already revealed by the government shows.

Case dismissed!


5 posted on 05/22/2008 6:01:29 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RedRover
Nelson told them he’d rather go to jail than rat out a brother Marine.

Well, he got his wish.

If subpoenaed to give testimony in a trial then you don't have a choice. If you refuse then that's contempt and you go to jail for as long as the judge wants to keep you there. It makes no difference if it's a gangland thug or a Marine NCO.

6 posted on 05/22/2008 6:04:59 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RedRover; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

Filthy bastards.

If EVER there was a blurry screen, this is it.


8 posted on 05/22/2008 6:06:56 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: RedRover
“It was a beautiful thing to see,” said lawyer Joseph H. Low IV, the former Marine infantryman representing Nelson. “The prosecutors are attempting to break the bonds formed in combat. Nelson told them he’d rather go to jail than rat out a brother Marine.”

And it's a beautiful thing to read about. Semper Fidelis.

12 posted on 05/22/2008 6:30:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover
Compulsory process cuts both ways. If you want the court to make an informed opinion, it needs the testimony of anyone who was present. I very much doubt if the defense would appreciate an exculpatory witness who refused to appear out of loyalty to someone else.

Don't confuse the issues of the appropriateness of some of these prosecutions with this case, where a witness decided on his own that he wouldn't testify. It is a cornerstone of Anglo-American law that only very select persons - lawyers, priests, and spouses - can refuse to testify in a matter not jeopardizing oneself. The place to challenge the prosecution is at the Art. 32 stage or with trial advocacy - not by an activist witness choosing whether or not to testify.

Sorry. Just a stickler for the foundations of the rule of law. Our legal system isn't perfect, but flawed as it is, it beats the alternatives. So I get nervous when I see things that endanger it. Sgt. Nelson's loyalty is admirable (and his concerns regarding the prosecution of Sgt. Weemer entirely justified, but the rule of law cannot permit witnesses to refuse to testify out of loyalty. That cure would be worse than the disease.

Best way Sgt. Nelson could help Sgt. Weemer would be to talk with the defense to ensure they have every opportunity to hear their side of things. Remember - the jury (if it even gets to that point) will all be military members, almost certainly all with combat experience. The officers and NCO's sitting on that panel will be very interested to hear Sgt. Nelson's understanding of events. There's a pretty good chance that what he found reasonable under those circumstances they will too.

maybe its just that my litigation strategy is colored by my view that military panels, especially, are relatively sophisticated, but if I were Sgt. Weemer's counsel, I'd jump for joy if the prosecution's sole case rested on the testimony of a Sergeant sympathetic to my client. Fighting the subpoena is unwise IMHO.

I can't believe I just typed all that on a cell phone.

14 posted on 05/22/2008 6:33:22 PM PDT by jude24 (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: RedRover

Marine Corps bump.


16 posted on 05/22/2008 6:33:56 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: RedRover
Remember this?:

Marine Corps Reinvigorating its Battlefield Ethics Training

Commandant Conway was concerned because too many Marines said in a survey that they wouldn't rat out another Marine so he issued a bunch of edicts. Puller and Patton are spinning in their graves.

19 posted on 05/22/2008 6:40:29 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover

Nazario says it never happened, others say it never happened, others have ramblings accounts, the accounts don’t jive, others make statements and then clam up, and some simply get lawyers.

This sounds like a serious case of PTSD to me.

Something hazy happens in combat. You talk about it later and add a storyline to it out of suppositions and snippets. You get macho bragging making it into a taller and taller tale. You tell the story a few times and fix it in your memory as something that might have happened this way. In retelling and rethinking, you begin to believe the story constructed you created to describe something that was so hazy in combat that you’re not sure what it was.

It’s now a pattern that loops in your brain and gets triggered by sights, sounds, smells.

And it never necessarily happened, even though it’s a story you tell and you maybe believe it sometimes, because you’ve told it and remembered it.

What is the truth in it? The truth in it is that they cleared so many houses and shot so many people while hyped in the adrenalyn that accompanies fear for your life that they have jumbled many accounts into something that never happened.


25 posted on 05/22/2008 7:04:26 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: RedRover

Anderson, Percy
Born 1948 in Long Beach, CA

Federal Judicial Service:
Judge, U. S. District Court, Central District of California
Nominated by George W. Bush on January 23, 2002, to a seat vacated by Kim McLane Wardlaw; Confirmed by the Senate on April 25, 2002, and received commission on May 1, 2002.

Education:
University of California, Los Angeles, A.B., 1970

University of California, Los Angeles, School of Law, J.D., 1975

Professional Career:
Directing attorney, San Fernando Valley Neighborhood Legal Services, Inc., California, 1975-1978
Lecturer, University of California, Los Angeles, School of Law, 1977-1978
Consultant, Legal Services Corporation, California, 1978-1979
Assistant U.S. attorney, Central District of California, 1979-1985
Private practice, California, 1985-2002

Race or Ethnicity: African American

Gender: Male


26 posted on 05/22/2008 7:05:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE toll-free tip hotline 1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRget!!!)
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To: RedRover
Semper Fidelis!
28 posted on 05/22/2008 7:09:40 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Will this thread be jacked by a Mormon?)
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To: RedRover

“He is charged under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act passed by Congress in 2000 to allow service members serving overseas to be prosecuted in civilian court for offenses that call for more than one year of imprisonment.”

In a civilian court, any prospective juror with the experience or training necessary to understand the situation of a soldier in in combat will probably be dismissed as being prejudicial. With the state of our judiciary, such politically charged cases as this will probably be steered to an activist judge, and there will be the usual carefully selected stupid jury. So now, thanks to the permanent imitation Nuremburg tribunal created by the ridiculous “Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act”, we can look forward to trial lawyers scouring South Asia for “victims” and “war crimes”, targeting whatever soldiers get in the way. The only satisfactory outcome is to repeal this stupid act and get back to the UCMJ. Until then lets hope and pray for lots of luck for guys like Nazario and Nelson.


35 posted on 05/22/2008 8:58:13 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: RedRover

49 posted on 05/23/2008 11:49:57 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: RedRover

Stuff such as what is in the article is what makes me sorry that I voted for President Bush two times.

As Commander-in-Chief he could put a stop this bullshit.

The Troops should not have to fight two, actually three, enemies. They are:
1. The “insurgents” who should be declared international outlaws. Shot when encountered and immediately executed when captured.
2. the JAG lawyers that only want to send someone to prison. Whether or not they are guilty of the charge is irrelvent.
3. The main stream medis. [to wit] abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, etal [all initials were lower case on purpose].


53 posted on 05/24/2008 5:27:21 AM PDT by sport
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Hes hsould testify.

Do exactly what Bubba and Hilldog always do.

“I cant recall”

“I don’t remember that incident”

The same Pharisees ( which are all damned to hell by Jesus ) are quick to point out the fallibility of the human memory when they get paid to defend murderers.


55 posted on 05/24/2008 3:40:07 PM PDT by NoLibZone (When shall we have the courage to employ the 2nd amendment as intended by our founders?)
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To: RedRover

Marines can’t kill the enemy
can’t capture the enemy
can’t give christian coins to the enemy

but its okay to wipe them out from 10,000 feet

We need a Mean as hell ANGRY General in the White House.

HUMMMM McCain get angry sometimes.


60 posted on 05/31/2008 8:01:50 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: RedRover

lawyer Joseph H. Low IV, the former Marine infantryman


Run that man for President!


68 posted on 06/01/2008 8:43:05 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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