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Unbelievable! Are these people even Americans?
1 posted on 05/22/2008 5:29:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rhetorical question. They are globalists/marxists.


2 posted on 05/22/2008 5:31:03 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Socialism is the feudalism of the future.")
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Actually, most Americans want to scrap the electoral college, for they do not understand the purpose of the electoral college. Alexander Hamilton is quite above the reading level of the typical American. nN othr words, Americans don’t really understand true federalism; what they understand is “big government” which they increasingly favor.


3 posted on 05/22/2008 5:31:54 PM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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Unbelievable! Are these people even Americans?

Only through their physical presence. Beyond that, Marxists all the way.

4 posted on 05/22/2008 5:31:59 PM PDT by bcsco (To heck with a third party. We need a second one....)
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King Dean wants to abolish the electoral college, The Bill of Rights and the Constitution. It’s all for our own good. YEEEEAAAAGGGHHHH!!!


5 posted on 05/22/2008 5:32:27 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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Of course they are not Americans. And they’re counting chickens before they’re hatched. Especially since gay marriage is likely to be a serious issue on the ballot in California. Last time that ran 60/40 in support of traditional marriage.


6 posted on 05/22/2008 5:33:09 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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I vote to scrap Howard Dean, now:-()
7 posted on 05/22/2008 5:33:21 PM PDT by geo40xyz (McCain, Obama or Hillarybeast possibility of 4 Supreme Court Justices, Gore @UN. The WINNER is?)
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Not surprising. This is just one of the many inconveniences of the Constitution that these types would like to change.

This one would most certainly make their dead, illegal alien or elderly vote frauds much more meaningful.


9 posted on 05/22/2008 5:35:50 PM PDT by TCats
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As if there is more than one person in this country who gives a snot what Howard Dean wants.


10 posted on 05/22/2008 5:36:16 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde ("When the government fears the people there is liberty ... " Thomas Jefferson)
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Any good socialist like Dean would want to scrap the electoral college! That means more rural areas would lose their political clout while more urban areas would gain political clout. It so just happens conservatives tend to congregate in the former and the socialist Democrats congregate mostly in the latter. What a coincidence! He might as well call for the elimination of the Senate since it was formed to represent all states equally regardless of population size.


12 posted on 05/22/2008 5:38:33 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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If Hillary wins the popular vote but loses the nomination, too bad.

If Barack wins the popular vote but loses the election, the election was stolen.

Got that?


13 posted on 05/22/2008 5:39:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (No government can compete with the black market for drugs in financial compensation for LEOs.)
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Schulman describes the purpose of the electoral college. Without it a popular vote can easily be bought by the whole world in the US today without the electoral colleges protective mechanism. Here is the piece by Schulman with ref to the federalist papers...

http://www.multied.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

Why Was the Electoral College Created?

by Marc Schulman

The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief.

(See All of the Federalist 68)

Hamilton and the other founders believed that the electors would be able to insure that only a qualified person becomes President. They believed that with the Electoral College no one would be able to manipulate the citizenry. It would act as check on an electorate that might be duped. Hamilton and the other founders did not trust the population to make the right choice. The founders also believed that the Electoral College had the advantage of being a group that met only once and thus could not be manipulated over time by foreign governments or others.

The electoral college is also part of compromises made at the convention to satisfy the small states. Under the system of the Electoral College each state had the same number of electoral votes as they have representative in Congress, thus no state could have less then 3. The result of this system is that in this election the state of Wyoming cast about 210,000 votes, and thus each elector represented 70,000 votes, while in California approximately 9,700,000 votes were cast for 54 votes, thus representing 179,000 votes per electorate. Obviously this creates an unfair advantage to voters in the small states whose votes actually count more then those people living in medium and large states.

One aspect of the electoral system that is not mandated in the constitution is the fact that the winner takes all the votes in the state. Therefore it makes no difference if you win a state by 50.1% or by 80% of the vote you receive the same number of electoral votes. This can be a receipe for one individual to win some states by large pluralities and lose others by small number of votes, and thus this is an easy scenario for one candidate winning the popular vote while another winning the electoral vote. This winner take all methods used in picking electors has been decided by the states themselves. This trend took place over the course of the 19th century.

While there are clear problems with the Electoral College and there are some advantages to it, changing it is very unlikely. It would take a constituitional amendment ratified by 3/4 of states to change the system. It is hard to imagine the smaller states agreeing.


14 posted on 05/22/2008 5:41:21 PM PDT by givemELL
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Howard Dean would scrap our Constitution and replace it with the Communist Manifesto.


15 posted on 05/22/2008 5:41:29 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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Funny,there are a lot of people in both parties that want to scrap Howard Dean.


16 posted on 05/22/2008 5:42:08 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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Fortunately, this would require amending the Constitution. While it might make it out of Congress, I can’t see any of the smaller states willingly giving up their influence on the election process.


17 posted on 05/22/2008 5:42:54 PM PDT by Marathoner ("Only Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama can get me to vote for John McCain." Thomas Sowell)
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/05/22/newsweeks-alter-hypocritical-popular-vote


18 posted on 05/22/2008 5:45:55 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Holding my nose in 2008. I disagree with McCain on lots of issue, but with the Democrats on more.)
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So if Obama wins the popular vote by five or ten million votes...

Keep dreaming, leftards.

20 posted on 05/22/2008 5:47:15 PM PDT by eclecticEel (You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.)
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Maybe we can just change the Constitution such that the Democrats can choose whether we use the Electoral College on an election by election basis.


21 posted on 05/22/2008 5:47:26 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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"Howard Dean Wants to Scrap The Electoral College"

And the rest of the Constitution as well.

22 posted on 05/22/2008 5:48:15 PM PDT by penowa
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I believe that there would not have been a President JFK.


23 posted on 05/22/2008 5:48:38 PM PDT by bannie (clintons CHEAT! It's their only weapon.; & Barry/Barack has two faces.)
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That’s funny. I want to scrap Howard Dean’s political career!

Bookmarked for further ridicule...


24 posted on 05/22/2008 5:48:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("I have a clear record of working with Dems. I will appoint Dems to my administration." -Sen McCain)
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