Posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
SAN ANGELO, Texas - A state appellate court has ruled that child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children living at a polygamist sect's ranch.
The Third Court of Appeals in Austin ruled that the grounds for removing the children were "legally and factually insufficient" under Texas law. They did not immediately order the return of the children.
Child welfare officials removed the children on the grounds that the sect pushed underage girls into marriage and sex and trained boys to become future perpetrators.
The appellate court ruled the chaotic hearing held last month did not demonstrate the children were in any immediate danger, the only measure of taking children from their homes without court proceedings.
Who stated this?
Those bogus cases paved the way for CPS legislation around the country, giving petty bureaucrats extra-legal powers that have destroyed countless families....and will continue to do so.
Cuz it's for the children, you know.
You are waist deep in ignorance. Both was happening.
Well, this whole mess has both criminal and civil aspects. The children were taken into state custody when evidence of abuse became apparent while the state was in the process of serving a warrant on reported criminal child abuse.
When you talk about someone it’s customary to ping them.
Try keeping up with the various 'hate crime' legislative attempts to make statements against homosexuality illegal. They will eventually succeed and then it won't matter what you think. It only matters what your gov't thinks. Ah, but that was the whole point, wasn't it.
These people's rights set the precedence for me and my families rights under similar circumstances.
There was no evidence presented of any abuse of any of the children. The Appeals Court pointed out that even potential hypothetical abuse alleged by the CPS would have applied only to girls in a certain age bracket. No abuse has been proven, and none of families who filed the appeal even had children who could have fallen into the category of the hypothetical allegations.
Government is really in no position to protect every child from abuse, or even death. It is the obsession with preventing every harm that leads to the erosion of our liberties.
The old adage is that bad things happen to good people.
Some people expect that government can make that adage false.
When you talk about someone it’s customary to ping them.
It was not the US gov’t. It was the state of Texas.
No....the actions were based on an anonymous "tip" from a lunatic in Colorado.
Oh, asked questions, huh? And when were they supposed to do that, when they tried to before the whole seizure operation and was told by the pedophiles to go pound sand?
The ranch recently disallowed investigatior access to the ranch when the WOMEN who are not at the ranch anymore told them there are more children still out there not accounted for in the group who left in the initial raid.
Meaning what exactly?
Anyone who says these people have more rights than raped children would surely sing a different tune if it was their daughter or granddaughter.
The children weren't removed because of that tip. The children were removed after the Texas Rangers and a DFPS agent went in to investigate the tip. They interviewed the children and others there and then based on what they witnessed and from the interviews, requested the warrants to remove. Documents posted in post #334.
Eventually, this will be a USSC case.
“Explain taking a newborn baby away form its mother
No newborn babies have been taken away from their mothers”
Oh yes they have and it has been reported in the press.
Thanks for the award. Do I get a trophy?
But if this is the way that "a true lady" from Texas treats other people, then I shudder for the future of our society. Apparently in your haste to post dozens of messages supporting the unlimited power of the state to violate parents' rights, you've forgotten that "a true lady" treats others with respect and consideration.
Heck, I still don't understand the constitutional argument of confiscating property before a sentence. To many people that puts me in bed with criminals and drug dealers.
Our founders clearly understood that some bad people were going to get away with mischief but even so that was far more desirable than an imperial government.
But then "sentence first - verdict afterwards" seems to be the "modern" standard. How far we have fallen. We worship government far more than anyone ever worshiped King George.
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