Posted on 05/20/2008 11:24:57 AM PDT by Red Badger
A British company, Hydrofuel Technologies Ltd, is urging motorists to use water to reduce fuel costs with a car battery-powered onboard electrolyser, on its website, (www.runyourcaronwater.co.uk ). Hydrofuel’s DIY guide explains how motorists can convert cars to a water-burning hybrid to improve engine performance and save money. It says users of its system have reported mileage increases of between 50% and 100%.
Nadim Hussain, the firm’s MD, says: “We want to spread the word that water can be used to help power a car alongside petrol or diesel, and introduce this technology to the UK on a large scale, so that motorists can take control of their fuel costs and reduce their carbon ‘tyreprint’ at the same time.”
The identity and location of his company is not identified on the website, which offers its products priced in dollars. It is not connected to the Canadian company Global Hydrofuel Technologies Inc, (www.globalhydrofuel.com), which markets technology using aluminium to assist H2 electrolysis.
Runyourcaronwater’s manual explains how to use electricity from a car's battery to separate water into HHO (2 parts hydrogen, 1 part oxygen). It says introducing HHO to the fuel mixture significantly improves the combustion cycle of the engine, resulting in improved mileage and lower emissions. Unlike the product of hydrogen fuel cell technology, this combustible gas is only extracted and burned as needed, making it “completely safe” and removing the need for storage tanks. The only by-product released into the air is water.
Hussain says users can expect “increased engine power, smoother gear changing and a cleaner, quieter, longer-lasting engine”.
Runyourcaronwater.co.uk is offering membership at a special, time-limited price of $97 (about £49), which includes its instruction manual, free updates and technical support, as well as access to an online marketplace where members can buy ready-made systems from other members around the world. And, if a motorist wants to go down the DIY route, the materials needed to convert the car can be bought cheaply from any hardware store.
Hussain adds: “Our water-hybrid system is cheaper and more effective than other forms of alternative fuel technology, such as LPG conversion, and will reduce the speed at which we are using up our declining oil reserves - without the environmental costs of bio-fuel production.” He says thousands of successful ‘water-conversions’ have been carried out around the world, providing proof that this technology works”.
Are they introducing the HHO into the carb separately from the fuel?
Into the manifold vacuum I believe, past the carb/TB........
I’ve seen that before........
Smoke and mirrors until they separate H2O with less energy than they can get from combining it.
Actually the combustion of the fuel is improved by the injection of H2 which in turn gives more energy than required to make the H2. The concept is presently in use on trucks in the US and Canada.
I’ll have to take a look. It would seem the system would have to be able to ramp up along with acceleration etc. Sounds invasive to me.
This sounds fishy to me. Does it really work?
You beat me to it.
The energy released by combustion of H and O cannot exceed the energy it took to separate them in the first place. Any high school science major knows this.
And I want to see the video on this claim that trucks are using this anywhere to any significant benefit.
Unfortunately for every person out there that actually understands this very basic principle there are dozens of suckers think it’s a good solution.
Does using kinetic energy count? Once the alternator is running, wouldn’t that be enough to sustain the reaction?
Sounds like it would work in trucks, if it works at all, but not for running around town (or at least not as well).
I just put five foot tall wheels on the back of my truck so that I’m always going downhill and each time the engine turns over I go a lot further.
If anyone can believe this he should have nooo problem with the water “electrolyzer” or was it “electrolux”?
Actually, I think this would work as intended. Think of it this way. Your AC uses electrical and mechanical energy, and is wasted on keeping you cool, rather than to propel you farther down the road. If you turned off you AC, and shifted that amount of energy into making hydrogen and oxygen, you get some return by producing gases which together can burn at a very high temperature. Add the combustible mixture to your combustion chambers, and you get some added effect. Less gas pedal might be needed to achieve a given speed. But with that said, I’m thinking that the max benefit would be something like .01 % increase in gas mileage. It would be a very tiny amount of gas, added to the very large amount of fuel mixture that is used to run a car engine.
Well, I guess the question might be which energy conversion is more efficient. The combination of H and O may take less theoretical energy, but the efficiency may be limited by the reality of the mechanism doing the combining. If the H2O splitting mechanism is very efficient, I could see a positive benefit.
I don’t know if that is the case, but I think the relative efficiencies would be the key.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems there is a lot of “wasted” energy being generated by the alternator and exhaust heat. If they just use the excess electricity from the alternator system to liberate hydrogen from oxygen, then inject that combo into the intake manifold, along with the fuel that is normally being used, gas or diesel, etc., then it looks like a fuel savings would actually be realized......
Stay tuned to this thread for more info than you can assimilate........
ANY fuel is improved by injecting hydrogen in the mix but unless physics has changed in the past 100 years energy is lost by breaking down water into H and O2.
I don’t know about the volume of HHO liberated from the water, but let’s say it was enough that the HHO + the fuel normally used was enough to offset the fuel by a significant amount. The car’s actual “mileage” doesn’t change, since you are still using the same amount of “combo fuel” to propel you down the road. The “gasoline” mileage would appear to go up since you are using less of the gasoline to go the same distance but are replacing it with the HHO instead.........
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