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U.S. shooters feel pinch as ammo costs soar
Reuters ^ | Mon May 19 | Tim Gaynor

Posted on 05/20/2008 5:50:16 AM PDT by 300magnum

TOMBSTONE, Ariz (Reuters) - Gunslinger Bob Krueger blasts away at his outlaw rivals at a tourist show in this storied Old West town, although rising ammo costs may force him to choose his shots.

Krueger and his gnarly band of pistoleros are among millions of shooters, hunters and even lawmen across the United States feeling the pinch as sky-high metals prices and demand from wars abroad are driving up the price of bullets.

Ammo prices for many popular guns have more than tripled in the last three years, driven in large part by surging demand for metals in rapidly industrializing China.

As the Asian giant becomes wealthier, millions of tons of copper, lead and zinc, which are also used to make bullets and brass shell-casings, are being snapped up.

Shooters, gun dealers and sheriffs say the impact has been further aggravated by competition for limited ammo stocks with the U.S. military, currently fighting wars on two fronts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Everybody is feeling it," said Krueger, a Stetson wearing cowboy whose show blasts through hundreds of rounds of blank ammo each week at Six Gun City in Tombstone.

"If things get bad enough, we may all just get one bullet each," he said, to laughter from his grizzled buddies.

HUNTING FOR AMMO

Dealers complain that the cost of rifle ammunition has doubled and even tripled in the past two years, with similar increases for some hand gun ammunition.

Lynn Kartchner, a gun shop owner in nearby Douglas, Arizona, says he now pays $250 for a case of 1,000 rounds of assault rifle ammunition, up from $80 two years ago, while a box of popular 9 mm shells has jumped to $17 from $10.

"Price rises have been accompanied by scarcity for certain kinds of ammo," Kartchner told Reuters in his shop, which is packed with rifles, pistols and shooting paraphernalia.

"There isn't as much variety, and a lot of people snap up whatever they can get their hands on," he added.

Increased costs and competition for ammo is also being born by police forces across the United States, among them the sheriff's department in Cochise County on the Arizona-Mexico border, which faces incursions from armed smugglers and even bandits from south of the line.

Last year the department faced a four-month delay acquiring rifle cartridges and had to dip into ammo reserves, rousing the concern of Sheriff Larry Dever.

"We do face people in this environment down here who are heavily armed, sometimes with higher capacity armaments than we carry," Dever said.

"The last thing we want do is find ourselves in a situation where we are not training sufficiently so that (deputies) can maintain those very important proficiencies," he added.

HOARDING, RELOADING

Demand for metals is tipped to stay strong in China for the next decade.

Cowboy shows and lawmen aside, high ammo prices are being shouldered by millions of target shooters and hunters across the United States, many of them working people on a limited budget.

"If you have three of four children, and they all go out on a hunting trip, the cost of ammo can be a bit of a burden," said Luis Hernandez, a keen deer, bird and varmint hunter from Douglas.

To keep costs low, many hobby shooters are now scouring gun shows, gun shops and the Internet in search of cheap ammunition, which some then buy in bulk and hoard against further price rises.

Others either shoot less, switch to smaller caliber ammunition such as .22 which is cheaper, or are increasingly turning to reloading their old shell cases.

"The main saving is in the brass casing, which is the most expensive part," said Hernandez, who reckons on saving up to $20 on a box of some premium rifle cartridges by reloading.

Other shooters and dealers are holding out hope that ammunition manufacturers will develop cheaper alternatives.

"High cost drives innovation," said Kartchner. "There has been some interest in plastic or aluminum cartridge cases in the past, so I'm hopeful they will come up with something. We'll just have to see."

(Reporting by Tim Gaynor; Additional reporting by Ed Stoddard; Editing by Eddie Evans)


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; reloading
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To: wastedyears

81 posted on 05/20/2008 11:23:44 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Current Occupant

“Each bullet type and weight has different seating dephts depending on ogive. I would only use that method to get close. JMO.”

Correct. A Lyman caliper would work just fine for those bullets for which you don’t have a factory loaded model with which to work.

Good, excellent point. Thank you.


82 posted on 05/20/2008 11:27:34 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: woollyone

Don’t forget to pick up a reloading manual or two and read them before you get started. Ejukashun never hurt nobody.


83 posted on 05/20/2008 11:37:41 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} All Hail John Moses Browning)
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To: Joe Brower

Buy now and save for the future.


84 posted on 05/20/2008 12:20:50 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: wastedyears

“How about dumping the bullets in water after they’re cast?”

That’s how I do it. They come out of the mold into a bucket of water and end up quite hard.


85 posted on 05/20/2008 2:05:33 PM PDT by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: kitchen

“My retired neighbor heads out to the club with shovel, screen, and wheelbarrow to sift through the pistol range backstop. A couple weeks ago he told me he’d sold 2,000 pounds of lead to a scrap dealer this year.”

Good grief...now we’ll be reduced to conducting archaeological digs at our ranges (at least during the “cease fires”)...don’t want to be down range bent over looking for used pistol bullets when the line is hot!


86 posted on 05/20/2008 3:15:15 PM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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To: AngryJawa

http://www.alltiresupply.com/c-AW_Wheel_Weights_Alloy_Wheels.html


87 posted on 05/20/2008 3:40:14 PM PDT by griffin
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To: 300magnum
assault rifle ammunition

As expected, there it is.......

88 posted on 05/20/2008 3:45:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Three words that make me want to barf: Clinton, Obama, McCain...........;)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I would hazard to guess there is a collective stockpile of that ammo numbering in the trillions. Like a pair of jeans -— it never goes out of style.


89 posted on 05/20/2008 3:47:55 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Raw numbers may not be helpful. Recently, the US provided the Afghan army with 40 year old AK ammo, and there was some harumphing about it, though no mention if it still worked. Its “packaging was decaying”, which is not a good sign.

But the US stores its ammo far better than the vast majority. In much of Asia and Africa, I wouldn’t be surprised if issued ammo has a field life of less than two years. Maybe 10 years if kept in government armories. Add to that, that a lot of it was low quality to begin with.

It’s an interesting situation.


90 posted on 05/20/2008 4:17:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Believe it or not, I have a ‘tin’ of 45 ACP from WWII that I opened...it fires just fine as of about 2 years ago....only trouble with this ammo is that it is corrosive and you have to clean the weapon very soon after it’s fired.


91 posted on 05/20/2008 4:19:58 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: wastedyears

It’s call “quenching”.

Works well and can almost double the hardness of the bullet.


92 posted on 05/20/2008 5:47:29 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: griffin

That’s WAY expensive!


93 posted on 05/20/2008 5:50:44 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I have some sealed-tin .45ACP that was packaged in 1937. It still fires fine.


94 posted on 05/20/2008 5:52:44 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

Don’t know what you pay for used wheel weights.

Let’s see....it was $9 for 50oz of lead. If there is 7000 grains in a pound, then for $10 one gets 991 240 grain 45 bullets.

Yes, you are correct. Too pricey. My quick calc yesterday forgot to convert oz to pounds. BUT there may be other online sources??


95 posted on 05/21/2008 8:57:23 AM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin

I pay nothing for used wheel weights.

Thankfully, I still live in an area where small, independent tire store are just trying to get rid of them. Rarely, I’ll pay $5 for a full bucket of wheel weights. (+/- 100 pounds)


96 posted on 05/21/2008 12:17:03 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Weak dollar.

That too.

97 posted on 05/21/2008 6:43:40 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: woollyone
100rnds bought per week makes 5000 rounds gathered in a year...just saying!)

Unless you shoot over 100 rounds a week.

98 posted on 05/21/2008 6:46:56 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So if they can somehow restrict production, it will drive the price out of range for most owners. In a lot of places, ammo will just become unobtainable, and this will subdue some of the 4th world troublemaking.

Maybe, but in the hills Pakistans frontier provinces, among other places, they made AK-47s using only manually powered hand tools. (Well foot tools in some cases). They can figure out how to reload, even the normally more difficult to reload Berdan primed steel military cases, or to make the brass. Primers are the hard part.

99 posted on 05/21/2008 6:52:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: RightWhale
a return to flintlock might be in order.

Or electrical ignition. Aircraft cannon rounds use it. Might be a bit more difficult on something as small as 5.56, but I doubt it would not be possible.

100 posted on 05/21/2008 7:12:45 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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