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U.S. shooters feel pinch as ammo costs soar
Reuters ^ | Mon May 19 | Tim Gaynor

Posted on 05/20/2008 5:50:16 AM PDT by 300magnum

TOMBSTONE, Ariz (Reuters) - Gunslinger Bob Krueger blasts away at his outlaw rivals at a tourist show in this storied Old West town, although rising ammo costs may force him to choose his shots.

Krueger and his gnarly band of pistoleros are among millions of shooters, hunters and even lawmen across the United States feeling the pinch as sky-high metals prices and demand from wars abroad are driving up the price of bullets.

Ammo prices for many popular guns have more than tripled in the last three years, driven in large part by surging demand for metals in rapidly industrializing China.

As the Asian giant becomes wealthier, millions of tons of copper, lead and zinc, which are also used to make bullets and brass shell-casings, are being snapped up.

Shooters, gun dealers and sheriffs say the impact has been further aggravated by competition for limited ammo stocks with the U.S. military, currently fighting wars on two fronts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Everybody is feeling it," said Krueger, a Stetson wearing cowboy whose show blasts through hundreds of rounds of blank ammo each week at Six Gun City in Tombstone.

"If things get bad enough, we may all just get one bullet each," he said, to laughter from his grizzled buddies.

HUNTING FOR AMMO

Dealers complain that the cost of rifle ammunition has doubled and even tripled in the past two years, with similar increases for some hand gun ammunition.

Lynn Kartchner, a gun shop owner in nearby Douglas, Arizona, says he now pays $250 for a case of 1,000 rounds of assault rifle ammunition, up from $80 two years ago, while a box of popular 9 mm shells has jumped to $17 from $10.

"Price rises have been accompanied by scarcity for certain kinds of ammo," Kartchner told Reuters in his shop, which is packed with rifles, pistols and shooting paraphernalia.

"There isn't as much variety, and a lot of people snap up whatever they can get their hands on," he added.

Increased costs and competition for ammo is also being born by police forces across the United States, among them the sheriff's department in Cochise County on the Arizona-Mexico border, which faces incursions from armed smugglers and even bandits from south of the line.

Last year the department faced a four-month delay acquiring rifle cartridges and had to dip into ammo reserves, rousing the concern of Sheriff Larry Dever.

"We do face people in this environment down here who are heavily armed, sometimes with higher capacity armaments than we carry," Dever said.

"The last thing we want do is find ourselves in a situation where we are not training sufficiently so that (deputies) can maintain those very important proficiencies," he added.

HOARDING, RELOADING

Demand for metals is tipped to stay strong in China for the next decade.

Cowboy shows and lawmen aside, high ammo prices are being shouldered by millions of target shooters and hunters across the United States, many of them working people on a limited budget.

"If you have three of four children, and they all go out on a hunting trip, the cost of ammo can be a bit of a burden," said Luis Hernandez, a keen deer, bird and varmint hunter from Douglas.

To keep costs low, many hobby shooters are now scouring gun shows, gun shops and the Internet in search of cheap ammunition, which some then buy in bulk and hoard against further price rises.

Others either shoot less, switch to smaller caliber ammunition such as .22 which is cheaper, or are increasingly turning to reloading their old shell cases.

"The main saving is in the brass casing, which is the most expensive part," said Hernandez, who reckons on saving up to $20 on a box of some premium rifle cartridges by reloading.

Other shooters and dealers are holding out hope that ammunition manufacturers will develop cheaper alternatives.

"High cost drives innovation," said Kartchner. "There has been some interest in plastic or aluminum cartridge cases in the past, so I'm hopeful they will come up with something. We'll just have to see."

(Reporting by Tim Gaynor; Additional reporting by Ed Stoddard; Editing by Eddie Evans)


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; reloading
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To: varyouga

Maybe Chancellor-elect Obama can come up with a Federal subsidy program to help them out. ;^)


21 posted on 05/20/2008 6:40:43 AM PDT by WayneS (Feed a Polar Bear, Club a Seal!)
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To: DManA

That’s more like it.


22 posted on 05/20/2008 6:41:04 AM PDT by WayneS (Feed a Polar Bear, Club a Seal!)
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To: varyouga

Ahhh... happiness is a large pile of brass. ;-)


23 posted on 05/20/2008 6:42:03 AM PDT by 300magnum (God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it. D.Webster)
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To: 300magnum

time for a congressional investigation into Big Ammo.


24 posted on 05/20/2008 6:42:18 AM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (On guard until the seal is broken)
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To: DManA

Doesn’t it unnerve anyone that governments, state, local, federal, foreign, are buying ammo as fast as it can be made?


Too true, and too scary. Whether it is the inflation we all know about but is not being admitted, or worse intentions.


25 posted on 05/20/2008 6:42:27 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns donÂ’t kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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To: TalonDJ

ping


26 posted on 05/20/2008 6:52:05 AM PDT by JenB
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To: 300magnum

This is why I cast my own bullets and reload with them. Now if I could only make my own primers.


27 posted on 05/20/2008 6:58:32 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: DManA

That too.


28 posted on 05/20/2008 6:59:32 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: WayneS

Exactly.

Wheelweights are mostly lead with about 2% tin and up to 4% antimony, which makes the resulting alloy harder.

Actually, I test the ingots obtained from melting ww’s. The hardest (most antimony) are reserved for the .223’s (the high velocity/pressure requires a harder bullet). The softest alloy is used for the .38 revolver rounds.


29 posted on 05/20/2008 6:59:50 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: WayneS
I've been reloading everything I shoot(except .22LR and 7.62 x 39)for a couple years now.

I really want to get into casting and I'm ready to invest in the tools, but the biggest obstacle for me is obtaining the wheel weights. It seems all the tire stores around here have arrangements to have them recycled. Any suggestions from the FR banglist crowd?

30 posted on 05/20/2008 7:19:21 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} All Hail John Moses Browning)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
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31 posted on 05/20/2008 7:20:08 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: AngryJawa

Unless you are re-loading A LOT of ammunition, I’d suggest a small, independent auto repair place. They will have fewer wheel weights to give you, but they are less likely to have a bulk recycling deal, and can PROBABLY supply all but the most voracious re-loader with all the lead (and antimony and tin) he/she can use.

And if you DO need more lead, you can always scope out a couple of the smaller shops.


32 posted on 05/20/2008 7:25:14 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: stuartcr

Primers were up to $27 a carton at the gun show last weekend. That’s up from about $22 at the LAST gun show we went to about 6 months ago.


33 posted on 05/20/2008 7:25:31 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: WayneS

Sorry, should have ended with “... a couple OTHER smaller shops as well”.


34 posted on 05/20/2008 7:26:44 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: 300magnum

Been making my own for a long time, and making strategic purchases when the opportunity arises. I won’t say how much I’ve got, but it’s probably pretty close to the total rounds fired during the Revolutionary War.


35 posted on 05/20/2008 7:27:09 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: 300magnum

I suspect that there is going to be an international effort to restrict the market for 7.62x39mm M43 ammo, in a back door effort to neutralize a lot of the world’s AK-47s.

The idea is that since the AKs are everywhere, everyone wants ammo for them. So if they can somehow restrict production, it will drive the price out of range for most owners. In a lot of places, ammo will just become unobtainable, and this will subdue some of the 4th world troublemaking.


36 posted on 05/20/2008 7:29:40 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: 300magnum
I've bought so much stock ammo in the last few years that I need a new safe.

It's a shame that gun buyers must consider the cost of ammo when looking at different calibers, much the same as car buyers must consider fuel mileage. Although 9mm FMJ's are still (barely) under $20 per 100, all other serious loads (.380, .38, .357, .40, .45, etc) are over $20, even over $30 per 100.

37 posted on 05/20/2008 7:31:12 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (DonÂ’t run from the Republican Party. Take it back!)
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To: 300magnum

WWB .45 still $30/box
Rem .223 55gn $.43/rnd
at WallyWord

And that is about as good or better than can be gotten in bulk over the net, without the hassle of shipments and the s/h cost.

Was in there yesterday and there was a line at the counter.

Which reminds me...time to change the tag line...


38 posted on 05/20/2008 7:32:20 AM PDT by woollyone (100rnds bought per week makes 5000 rounds gathered in a year...just saying!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Somehow I get the feeling all it’s going to do is make the market more lucrative for the Chinese.


39 posted on 05/20/2008 7:33:23 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: AngryJawa

The days of easily obtainable wheel weights are pretty well over. I’ve been going to a scrap metal outfit and paying for alloy, but that price is going up too and sometimes if they are busy they won’t be bothered with someone wanting relatively small amounts of it. I’ve also used range scrap that we dig out of dirt mined from the burms at my local range. I’ve also used reclaimed shot from the trap range, which is excellent alloy but expensive. One simply has to hunt for the stuff. On-line outfits like Midway sell alloy, and the quality is very good but again the cost is up. I think the basic answer to your question is that it’s something one simply has to hunt for these days. I recently lucked into 150 lbs of free linotype, which for bulletcasters is almost gold.


40 posted on 05/20/2008 7:40:31 AM PDT by VR-21
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