Posted on 05/16/2008 3:00:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
If you look a few posts below, you will find the text of President Bushs powerful and moving speech to the Knesset today. In the course of it, he says something very general:
Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along. We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided. We have an obligation to call this what it is the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.
Bush here is arguing in very broad brush against a generally meliorist view of foreign policy one, moreover, that is held by many people who work inside his own government. For some reason, people who work for the almost-certain nominee of the Democratic party have decided that Bush was attacking him. As Kate Phillips writes on the New York Times website:
In a telephone interview on CNN just a few minutes ago, Robert Gibbs, the communications director for Senator Barack Obama, called Mr. Bushs remarks astonishing and an unprecendented political attack on foreign soil.
An unprecedented attack on foreign soil? That is completely deranged. Not only did Bush not mention Obama by name, it is doubtful he or his people were thinking about Obama. The argument that negotiating with terrorists is appeasement akin to Europes appeasement of Hitler is a standard view among hawks on the Right decades old, dating back even before Barry Obama found the audacity to hope in the pews of Jeremiah Wrights church. It is exactly the sort of thing a man with Bushs politics would say in a speech before the Knesset, whether Obama had run for president or not.
The Obama campaign has even issued a statement on the matter in Obamas name:
It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israels independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power - including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy - to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the Presidents extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel.
Im not sure what this all says about Obama. Is this smart politics, getting his base riled up on his behalf? Is he trying to use Bush as a wedge to make the case to the Jewish community in the United States that the bad man in the White House is mischaracterizing him and therefore Jews should like him more? Is he trying, for the millionth time, to rule any criticism of himself out of reasonable bounds by complaining about something that isnt even criticism of him?
Or is this just another example of Obamas thin-skinned-ness?
Goes? Or just peeked back around the bend to see if America was following down that primrose path?
Considering how hard Obama and Pelosi squealed, I’d say that they are clearly guilty of being appeasers, and don’t like people noticing.
He is really sensitive about his ears so don’t speak of them like that. Just cause the skinny little black pr—k has big ears it is not PC to pick on him
Obama needs a nap, he’s cranky from having visited all 57 states of the Union.
Since Bush was quoting a 1930’s Republican Senator (William Borah of Idaho), he obviously meant Obama.
Obama made his career being offended.
I also straddled the Carter-Reagan eras. What a profound difference, almost immediately, in the Air Force. Morale blasted off where, before Reagan, it had become nearly invisible.
The ‘appeasement crowd’ operate under the self-delusion that terrorists and others with an unquenchable thirst for power over others are just misguided but basically good human beings who can be convinced by reason to live at peace with their enemies.
This is an erroneous picture of the terrorist. Terrorists represent the ultimate depths of human depravity and will not stop until they have either subjugated their targets or have been destroyed themselves. This was true of Hitler and the Nazis and is true of the Islamo-facists today. Ignore the truth at the peril of your life and those of your neighbors.
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Very well stated.
I am going to add just a little to your statement. It is common to get into a situation where some petty dictator in your life does something they have “power” to do just to make your life miserable. Two quick examples: the school bus driver who intentionally keeps you stopped just because they can; the employee who complains that someone was smoking only 45 feet away from the building. I believe it is possible that a full majority of people crave power over other people. We could all give myriad examples of bureaucrats on power trips.
I love to use these situations as teaching moments for my liberal friends who have an “antiWar” bug. I have found it to be very effective, to point the situation out to them, and simply extrapolate: “How can you expect to have an absence of war in the world when there are so many little tin-horn dictators all around you? They will start the war and you have to deal with them.” It is most especially delicious when they themselves are the power offender - which has been the case often enough, and they are bragging to me about their exploits.
Since SnObama is so sensitive about his ears, it is well that he gives me cause to call him something other than ODumbo.
I wouldn’t want to offend him.
It is clear from San Francisco, that he’s proud of SnObama.
” Four score and seven years ago....”
Obama...”Quit talking about me!”
Makes me wonder if failing education students turn to journalism as a major.
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When I was in college, the major jocks loved, due to being easy, was journalism. I think in fact that journalism majors are either “world savers” or quite low intelligence. Yet another reason to distrust their reporting.
Gad’s, that Barry-rising-from-the-waves picture is obscene! What’s that he’s got in his hand - a remote?
LOL!
However, I looked at it more closely and decided that it’s either a book with the letter B on it, presumably the message given to Barry by the Deity himself and monogrammed to commemorate the occasion - or it’s a McDonald’s box on its side.
Seems to me the Dems set themselves up for a snappy comeback, but of course we'll miss the ball.
Obama: "I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems, ....I will not weaponize space... I will slow development of future combat systems... I will institute a 'Defense Priorities Board' to ensure the quadrennial defense review is not used ..."
Then, there will be peace in our time without the evil republicans causing war!
My change is good for Muslims, Islamofascists, Black Racists, and Chrislims. $crew the Christians and real Jews!
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