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Black holes not black after all
www.physorg.com ^ | 05/13/2008 | Source: University of St Andrews

Posted on 05/13/2008 6:18:03 AM PDT by Red Badger

International scientists have used flowing water to simulate a black hole, testing Stephen Hawking's theory that black holes are not black after all.

The researchers, led by Professor Ulf Leonhardt at the University of St Andrews and Dr Germain Rousseaux at the University of Nice, used a water channel to create analogues of black holes, simulating event horizons.

An event horizon is the place in the channel where the water begins to flow faster than the waves. The scientists sent waves against the current, varied the water speed and the wavelength, and filmed the waves with video cameras. Over several months the team painstakingly searched the videos for clues. They wanted to see whether the waves show signs of Stephen Hawking's famous prediction that the event horizon creates particles and anti-particles.

Professor Ulf Leonhardt, from the School of Physics and Astronomy, explained, "It is probably impossible to observe the Hawking radiation of black holes in space, but something like the radiation of black holes can be seen on Earth, even in something as simple as flowing water."

Black holes resemble cosmic drains where space disappears like water going down a plughole. Space seems to flow, and the closer one gets to the black hole, the faster it flows. At the event horizon space appears to reach the speed of light, so nothing, not even light, can escape beyond this point of no return.

The experiments were carried out at the Genimar laboratory near Nice which houses a 30-metre-long water channel with a powerful pump on one end and a wave machine on the other. The normal business of Genimar is testing the environmental impact of currents and waves on coasts or the hulls of French submarines, but the scientists turned the machinery to testing black holes.

The team demonstrated that something as simple and familiar as flowing water might contain clues of the mysterious and exotic physics of black holes. In a forthcoming paper in New Journal of Physics, the scientists report observed traces of "anti-waves" in their videos.

Professor Leonhardt continued, "Flowing water does not create anti-particles, but it may create anti-waves. Normal waves heave up and down in the direction they move, whereas anti-waves do the opposite.

"We definitely have observed these negative-frequency waves. These waves were tiny, but they were still significantly stronger than expected. However, our experiment does not completely agree with theory and so much work remains to be done to understand exactly what happens at the event horizon for water waves."


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; physics; space; stringtheory
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I guess the PC crowd has moved into astronomy.......
1 posted on 05/13/2008 6:18:03 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Half white, half black?


2 posted on 05/13/2008 6:22:24 AM PDT by period end of story
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To: Red Badger

I did that experiment too when I pulled the plug on my bathwater. Think I could get a grant to tell them what color the water was at the event horizon with the soap bubbles being sucked down?


3 posted on 05/13/2008 6:23:34 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Red Badger
"Normal waves heave up and down in the direction they move, whereas anti-waves do the opposite."

That certainly clarifies things.

4 posted on 05/13/2008 6:23:36 AM PDT by norton
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To: Red Badger

Now, if we could only get the water to flow at a speed approaching that of light, we’d REALLY be in business.

How does this demonstrate that “black holes are not black after all.”?


5 posted on 05/13/2008 6:24:00 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Red Badger

Jessie Jackson & Al Sharpton will PROTEST this finding!!


6 posted on 05/13/2008 6:24:36 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
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To: WayneS

Radiation from the event horizon represents “color” that can be detected, I suppose.............


7 posted on 05/13/2008 6:26:20 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: norton

Right.

Do “anti-waves” heave down and up in the direction they move (as opposed to up and down)?

Or do they heave up and down in the direction they are NOT moving?

Or do they heave side to side in an anti-clockwise direction but only in the northern hemisphere?

Or maye they sit perfectly still, but they do it in the direction they are NOT moving?

I’m SO confused.


8 posted on 05/13/2008 6:27:34 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: EagleandLiberty

Yeah, next thing you know they’ll be calling Black Holes “Uncle Holes” or “House Holes”, or some such.


9 posted on 05/13/2008 6:28:42 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Red Badger
This is hardly an analog to a black hole. In fact it looks like a well known phenomenon from pipes transmitting sounds (like musical instruments). If you transmit a sound down its length and the end is open, an inverse of the original wave will be transmitted back up the pipe. Similar things happen with an improperly terminated electrical cable.

It's and interesting physics demonstration, but they are extrapolating from a common physical example to try to understand one of the strangest items in the universe.

10 posted on 05/13/2008 6:31:10 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pray for Rattendaemmerung: the final mutually destructive battle between Obama and Hillary in Denver)
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To: Red Badger

It’s hard to imagine how a very classical, Newtonian world of water waves could have anything to do with the very quantum, relativistic world in the vicinity of a black hole’s event horizon. To point out one glaring difference, the speed of sound in water is about 1 km/sec, much faster than the flow.


11 posted on 05/13/2008 6:31:29 AM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Red Badger

Mauve Holes?


12 posted on 05/13/2008 6:31:56 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: KarlInOhio

The VSWR of a black hole must be pretty big.........


13 posted on 05/13/2008 6:33:11 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: KarlInOhio
It's and -> Its an

Aye tipe fizix gud!

14 posted on 05/13/2008 6:33:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pray for Rattendaemmerung: the final mutually destructive battle between Obama and Hillary in Denver)
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That sounds FABULOUS!.......................


15 posted on 05/13/2008 6:34:36 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

Al (Not so)Sharpton is going to be p!ssed.


16 posted on 05/13/2008 6:35:09 AM PDT by exile ("Get off the phone, ya big dope"- The Great One)
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To: Red Badger
Gravitational fields are mainly about "escape velocity". EV is the speed required for something to escape the grip of the mass creating the gravitational field. On Earth the EV is about 18,000 miles/hr. With a mass just great enough to form a black hole, the EV is light speed (186,000 miles per second). The surrounding distance from the center of the BH where EV is light speed is called the Event Horizon. The size of the EH (its radius) depends on the amount of mass inside the black hole. There are small black holes with masses several times that of our sun and there are enormous ones (at the heart of many if not most galaxies) with masses billions of times that of the sun. In the case of these galactic black holes, the EH is thought to be as large as our solar system or greater (~8 billion miles in diameter). The reason BH are 'black' is that the gravitational field is so great that not even light can escape it.
17 posted on 05/13/2008 6:50:19 AM PDT by Eye On The Left
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Yeah, next thing you know they’ll be calling Black Holes “Uncle Holes” or “House Holes”, or some such.

LOL!!!

18 posted on 05/13/2008 6:57:07 AM PDT by EagleandLiberty (El Rushbo Tribal name -- RinoHunter Vote Conservatives '08)
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To: Red Badger

Holes of color, thank you very much...


19 posted on 05/13/2008 7:17:26 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Friends with umbrellas are outstanding in the rain.)
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Yeah, next thing you know they’ll be calling Black Holes “Uncle Holes” or “House Holes”, or some such.

Just so they don't call them Nappy-Headed Holes. Then there would be real trouble.

20 posted on 05/13/2008 7:17:37 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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