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Taking Out the Junk (Science)
Cross Action News ^ | 5-12-08 | Bill Steigerwald

Posted on 05/12/2008 7:13:34 AM PDT by Victory111

When Al Gore and his global warming alarmists take over, one of the first citizens they’ll slap in a prison and charge with crimes against the (green) state will be Steven J. Milloy, founder and publisher of the popular Web site JunkScience.com.

For 12 years, JunkScience.com has worked to debunk the bad science that has been used to advance the harmful or merely silly political and social agendas of environmentalists that have led to things such as bans on DDT and incandescent light bulbs.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: agw; global; globalwarming; gore; junkscience; science; warming
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To: Red Badger

From that article....

>>When Carson alludes to increased bird deaths during the DDT era, Edwards responds, “Is it possible that Carson was unaware of the great increases in mammals and game birds.” Her claim that robins were on the verge of extinction because of DDT and related chemicals he reveals to be transparently untrue. Observers, he points out, spotted 12 times more robins in the DDT era than before. As to her claim that DDT was originally tested as an “agent of death” for man, this he calls “despicable.” At the end of the day, beyond all reasonable doubt, Edwards revealed Carson’s claim that DDT is “deadly” to be “completely false.” <<

HA!!!!


21 posted on 05/12/2008 8:32:49 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironman.)
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To: netmilsmom
Come on into 2008....

Asbestos was once heralded as a great fire retardant and insulation product.
Mercury as a medicine.
Cocaine as a stimulant.
LSD was an psychoanalysts dream come true.
And Cigarettes didn't cause cancer...there are plenty of products out there, I presume, that fit in your definition of "Junk Science"!

22 posted on 05/12/2008 8:35:03 AM PDT by meandog ((please pray for future President McCain, day minus 254 and counting))
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To: netmilsmom
Come on into 2008....

Asbestos was once heralded as a great fire retardant and insulation product.
Mercury as a medicine.
Cocaine as a stimulant.
LSD was an psychoanalysts dream come true.
And Cigarettes didn't cause cancer...there are plenty of products out there, I presume, that fit in your definition of "Junk Science"!

23 posted on 05/12/2008 8:35:07 AM PDT by meandog ((please pray for future President McCain, day minus 254 and counting))
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To: netmilsmom

http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.html


24 posted on 05/12/2008 8:35:45 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: meandog
Asbestos was once heralded as a great fire retardant and insulation product.

It still is.

25 posted on 05/12/2008 8:39:47 AM PDT by palmer
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To: meandog

“And not using it made a WHOLE lot of people extinct.

Really? Whom? (There are other, safer insecticides you know)”

http://3billionandcounting.com/index2.php


26 posted on 05/12/2008 8:40:21 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: meandog

There is no such thing as the American bald eagle; it should rightfully be called the Canadian bald eagle since that is where they are most plentiful; it seems as though nobody recognized that the hurricanes in Florida in the late 60s and early 70s wiped out the largest nesting areas in the continental U.S. (Naples area)

The eggshell thinning assertion remains in debate as there are other known causes of the same effect from other sources totally unrelated to pesticides.


27 posted on 05/12/2008 8:41:21 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: meandog

Asbestos is a great fire retardant, it must be handled safely. Had it been used in the twin towers, the story may have been different.

Mercury is not as dangerous as they make out. We used to play with it.

Cocaine IS a stimulant. How about filling your teeth without a bit of novocaine? Guess where it comes from?

LSD was an experiment. I worked Psych. There are weirdos in every field.

And Cigarette dangers are still being studied while YOUR personal property rights are going away.

Now, the subject is DDT and you haven’t answered a thing.


28 posted on 05/12/2008 8:43:14 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironman.)
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To: meandog

Have you ever heard of Dr. J.Gordon Edwards?

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15940


29 posted on 05/12/2008 8:48:47 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: netmilsmom

You can safely drink DDT; just ask Dr. J. Gordon Edwards.


30 posted on 05/12/2008 8:49:52 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
I'm not looking to drink it.

I looking to save lives with it. ;-)

31 posted on 05/12/2008 8:52:06 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironman. (but made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: meandog
Try telling the American Bald Eagle that DDT was good for the environment. It almost made them extinct!

Another example of junk science prevailing long after it is disproved. DDT has been proved to have no adverse environmental effects. The thinning of Bird egg shells, which was the purported impact of DDT has been shown to have no relationship to DDT.

Despite the fact that DDT has been shown to have no adverse environmental or health impact, millions of people continue to die of Malaria because DDT continues to be banned by the UN.

DDT effectively controls mosquito population - FACT!

DDT saved millions of lives - FACT!

DDT causes defects in bird egg shells - FICTION

DDT is a carcinogen - FICTION

http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C06/C06Links/www.altgreen.com.au/Chemicals/ddt.html

32 posted on 05/12/2008 8:55:19 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: meandog

I see that you were tightened up in my absence. Please don’t get caught stupid again.


33 posted on 05/12/2008 9:02:41 AM PDT by jayef
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To: netmilsmom
Now, the subject is DDT and you haven’t answered a thing.

Right, well we'll just have to agree to disagree. But, hey, I a libertarian at heart so feel free to continue to smoke your cigarettes and be sure to eat plenty of cholesterol-containing well-marbled red meat; and of course avoid your seat belt while driving if it is uncomfortable. But, please, don't ask me or anyone else to be responsible for your medical expenses or increased shared insurance premiums should you need assistance with long-term diabetes, heart disease, lung cancer, or injury in a car crash.

34 posted on 05/12/2008 9:04:38 AM PDT by meandog ((please pray for future President McCain, day minus 254 and counting))
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To: meandog

Asbestos is found in a quite friable state in the southwest U.S. on the surface of the soil; this is considered the less dangerous two of three main types found around the world due to its lack of the “fishhook” shape common to the etology of mesothelioma.

Far more deaths from silicosis have been recorded from afflicted quarry miners and we’ve yet to ban gravel and building stone.

Less than 3% of active smokers die from lung cancer each year; tobacco smoke would make a terrible poison as a weapon choice.


35 posted on 05/12/2008 9:06:10 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: meandog

What does any of this have to do with DDT?

And why is it that you presume that I do any of the above?

I don’t assume that you are a liberal greenie eventhough you have closed your eyes and gone La-la-la when you have been presented with facts....


36 posted on 05/12/2008 9:07:31 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironman. (but made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: meandog

You’re living proof emotion trumps reason.


37 posted on 05/12/2008 9:08:23 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Old Professer

Shhhhh, well you can’t be putting out facts here now can ya?

The Bald Eagles may not like it.


38 posted on 05/12/2008 9:08:34 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironman. (but made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: jayef

>>Please don’t get caught stupid again<<

Great line!


39 posted on 05/12/2008 9:09:32 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ironman. (but made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: meandog

You’ll never notice the pennies those conditions will cause you compared to the other worthless wastes of your tax dollar by the crooks in power.


40 posted on 05/12/2008 9:10:03 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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