John McCain, a Not So Favorable Retrospective (Heavy Graphics)

My own thoughts... | DoughtyOne

[DoughtyOne]

You'll want to right click view
on a few of these... *

John McCain's Road the the White House



In his natural habitat...
Liberalism's Heritage Preserve. *



John's ten Maverick years.

Has anyone forgotten them? *



The Republican Primaries 2008. *



Cabin boy McQueeg to lead...
Conservatism's darkest hour. *



Oh my God, I did that?
Anyone got a barf bag?

Pale white, this year's new green. *



Just so you know, John is willing to sacrifice himself...
for the good of the nation. *



In answer to your question John, zero votes.  Nice try though. *



Springtime in D.C.



Just reaching out...



Just reaching out... *

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Just reaching out...



Just reaching out...



Just reaching out, the Keating 5 fiasco...

Always in good company, John McCain with Demcrats or die hard liberals... it's been the pattern.

 

Well, no full accounting for our men MIA, but least we have normalized relations with Vietnam... *        *

July 11, 1995, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., (right), and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., (center),
gave President Bill Clinton, (left), the valuable political cover he needed to remove the U.S.
imposed trade embargo against communist Vietnam.  All major U.S. veterans organizations,
the two POW/MIA family groups, and the majority of Vietnamese Americans in this country
opposed Clinton's lifting of the embargo.

Didn't their service, POW status, torture and devotion to duty deserve as much respect as John's?  Evidently not.

We still don't have a full accounting for men a number of whom were seen alive by other POWs after shoot down or incarceration.

   

No³ * * *



They found out about George Soros' funding
for the push for the McCain/Feingold Bill too?

 

McCain Feingold, reaching out, striking down... * *

  

Three boobs...    *                      Will they recognize my policies with these on? *



For player 1, it was Kryptonite...
For player 2, it was garlic...
For player 3, it was a cross...
For player 4, it was Conservatism *



The exciting new game...
DonkeyCain! *

   

SCOTUS Justices Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter

Just a few confirmation votes, no big deal. *color="#006600"> * *

 

Geneva Convention status...
Closing Gitmo...
An end to water boarding...
Access to our courts... * *

More of John's actions of behalf of...
his constituents?



Still more of John's Peeps... *



Cosponser of McCain/Kennedy
helps set up roadblock...
to Conservatism. *



Eh, John, they'll never see it comin',
I tell ya.  Yeah Ted, look at those
xenophobes.  Screw them! *

      

"I support illegal immigrants being granted citizenship, and being processed right along with those who went through the process legally..." * * *



Three Gorebalist Worming Tweedie Birds
and a hungry Conservative cat. *

Yeah John, we've got your number
on this one too.

The Humane Society was not present
at the development of this photo grouping...
and we cant' vouch for the safety of the cat.



Point / Counterpoint *



Looks like some are going to buy off on the
Clinton/Obama scare tactics Mini-Me, er...
Mavrick.



Right John, some ideas just stink? *



But we didn't want Clinton or Obama to destroy the nation...
How were we supposed to know?

You could have listened! *



It isn't the first time we were wrong,
but I never thought they could put
that much lipstick on this guy.



A new reality TV series coming to your home this fall. *




When Johnny's Conservative vote comes marching home.



No matter how you dress it...
it's still not going to appeal to Conservatives.



Danger³

[Prole]

"And John McCain cannot compete with that"

Because he doesn't have the cashola that Obama has.

And the reason McCain doesn't have the cash? He keeps giving Republicans (especially Conservatives) the middle finger every single chance he gets.

Some of these forums contain posts by registered Republicans who are sending Mexican pesos to the McCain camp to communicate their anger and frustration with him.

I can't say I blame them.

[Lijahsbubbe]

Actually I meant that he can’t compete with any type of excitement because he’s not exciting.

I hadn’t heard that people were sending him pesos. That’s pretty funny. (I wonder if he’s cashing them in at the matriculars)

[higgmeister]

So which one are you for, Obama or Shillary?

You reject McCain and what is left? Do you believe as John Galt, that we must hasten our destruction so that we may correct the looter and moocher policies in a eventual restoration of liberty and individualism?

I fear we would never see the a restoration of freedom after an Obama or Rodham-Clinton Presidency. The Republican Primary battle is over. The Conservative Party will only draw votes from viable Republican candidates just as the Libertarian Party has done in the past.

It is time to press McCain to tack toward the conservative course in every possible way and in every situation. I believe McCain possesses the most important quality in a Republican leader, his own mind and conviction. At the very least he would not blow with the winds of public opinion as democrat Presidents have done since Truman and Kennedy.

I implore you to present feasible solutions or keep your mouth shut.

We are at a crux and it is time to look far down the road to glean what we can of what eventualities may be possible.

[LifeOrGoods?]

I also would like to add that I like your positive outlook in the outset of an Obama victory. We could possibly capitalize on a weak sitting President if in fact we do find a true conservative to run against him(is this possible?). And I think we could have this great hope realized in 4 years instead of 8 if that makes anything better for you. Keep fighting for what you think is right. Even though we disagree, I think the fact that we are so passionate and able to discuss this issue makes our thinking more clear and synergizied on this. God bless, my friend.

[Neverforget01]

If you're going to suggest that McCain wasn't calling for more troops in Iraq from the start, there's really no point in discussing it. If you don't think Obama will pull our troops out immediately (he doesn't need Congressional authority on either troop levels or Gitmo), then you have not been listening to Obama.

In my opinion, an Obama win will not only destroy Conservatives , it will do irreperable damage to the country. An Obama win will be seen as confirmation that Conservatism is gone for good.

[Prole]

"Actually I meant that he can’t compete with any type of excitement because he’s not exciting."

Yup. You are right about that!

Check out Senator Graham saluting Senator McCain and Kennedy, and then calling us all "a bunch of bigots" here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue2duZZ1yGw

[DoughtyOne]

Here’s what I see, fleshed out a bit more.

If Obama proposes something leftist in the Senate, he’ll have something like 58 to 62 votes.

If McCain proposes something leftist in the Senate, he’ll have something like 90 to 95 votes.

In the House it would be something like 225 to 250 backing Obama’s lefitst play, and anywhere from 350 to 400 backing McCain’s leftist play.

This is why I say that with McCain in the White House, we have no go to guy. We have no go to Congressional members to oppose him, or extremely few.

This would essentially be one party rule under McCain. That is VERY dangerous. If he wanted to sign us on to any globalist policies, it would be a done deal.

Obama has Conservative opposition. McCain doesn’t.

This is my take on it. If you folks think it’s a flawed perception then so be it.

And thank you for stating that you began to at least understand where I’m coming from, even if you don’t quite think it’s valid.

[DoughtyOne]

I am sorry that you haven’t been able to gleen a positive strategy out of my comments. It’s in there if you care to look around.

[calcowgirl]

Actually, it was his wife (the one he dumped) who actually was a “foot soldier” for Reagan in the 1976 Florida Presidential primary. She signed on again in 1979, doing scheduling and advance work for Nancy Reagan, working on arrangements for the Republican National Convention and the inauguration. That’s about the time that McCain was off with Cindy.

As to Lebanon, here is a long snip. First paragraphs for context—McCain at the bottom.

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New York Times Company Sep 29, 1983

By a decisive margin, the House of Representatives approved legislation today that would invoke the War Powers Act in Lebanon and authorize the deployment of American Marines in the Beirut area for an additional 18 months.

The resolution, which had the backing of House leaders of both parties and President Reagan, passed by a vote of 270 to 161. The voting pattern was a ‘’crisscrossed, mixed bag,’’ in the words of Representative Robert H. Michel of Illinois, the Republican leader, as 134 Democrats and 27 Republicans defied their leaders to oppose the measure.

The vote marked the first time that a House of Congress has decided to invoke the War Powers Act, which was approved 10 years ago as a Congressional move to place constraints upon the war-making powers of a President. The Senate will vote on the resolution Thursday and is expected to approve it.

(snip)

Representative Henry J. Hyde, Republican of Illinois, said, ‘’Like it or not, we have leadership of the free world, and sometimes that imposes onerous burdens.’’ Mr. Hyde acknowledged that many lawmakers compared Lebanon to Vietnam, but said that the parallel was not apt.

‘’There is no petroleum in Vietnam,’’ he said.

Opponents of the resolution replied that American goals in the Middle East could not be served by the Marine deployment. ‘’If there is any spot on the globe that doesn’t lend itself to a military solution, it’s Lebanon,’’ said Representative Thomas J. Downey, Democrat of New York,

Representative John McCain, an Arizona Republican and a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, argued that his military training led him to oppose the continued deployment of troops in Lebanon.

“I do not see any obtainable objectives in Lebanon,’’ he said, ‘’and the longer we stay there, the harder it will be to leave.”

[txhurl]

But you cannot TACK McCain. He cannot be tacked. That's how he earned his 'mav' cred.

He is completely fixed in what he is going to do, and quite unembarrassed about it.

His wife is the same way.

[DoughtyOne]

IMO, we find a Conservative much easier, if we don’t prove a guy like McCain can get elected with the views he has supported. IMO, a victory for McCain proves that Conservatism is a washed up ideology. It’s the worst possible thing that could happen.

I understand where you folks are coming from. I do appreciate your frank comments.

You take care as well. I have appreciated the give and take.

[LifeOrGoods?]

Actually, it is the moderates and McCain/Kennedy-wing of the Republican Party that are the defeatists...

I mostly agree with you there, but I would like to add that more conservatives need to show out in primaries for their candidate. Let my give you an example, calcowgirl, in my state's primary(SC) only 1 in 4 Republicans voted. Let's just assume that Fred Thompson was the conservatives' choice in the primary. Ok, Fred got 17%, I think McLame got like 25%. So if a little over twice as many Fred supporters would have actually showed up(and I know they were out there), McLame would have lost to the conservatives' choice. Couple that with the fact that the Democrats had an 80% turnout; now you see where I'm coming from.

Your writting style reminds me of Ann Coulter's, btw. That's a good thing. ;)

[Jeff Gordon]

I can't get behind this guy.

But you do have a lot of time on your hands.

[Dr.Zoidberg]

That’s pretty much the way I see it too. Mcloon will be able to do anything he wants with a guaranteed rubber stamp congress.

Repubs won’t balk him, he’ll be the big cheese of the party and you don’t go against the president if you want support in your reelection. The dims won’t resist as he’ll be doing what they would be doing if in his place, liberal policies and expanded government all around...

kosovo rose and b.hussein.o would at the very least have some token resistance from that handful of less than totally corrupt senators and representatives who still feel a passing allegiance to party.

Oh well, it’s not like we’ve got any real choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, and that’s what Mcloon and company are counting on.

I’m just glad write-in ballots are still legal.

[Racehorse]

I actually passed over these comments by you.

You could have kept on passing. That would have been okay.

Then it dawned on me that all I had to do to avoid this type of comment, was to have labeled this a Pray for McCain thread or a McCain Day in Pictures thread.

I doubt it.

Haven't seen much evidence of that being true, especially at this time of day.

Of course, I haven't run with the herd in a few weeks. I still doubt it.

You’ll have to forgive me. I’ve only been here a decade and I haven’t quite learned everything yet.

Of course, I'll forgive you.

Yep, the herd only runs on the side of those who oppose McCain huh. rotflmao.

For the last few months, that appears to me to a mostly and a most vociferously true statement, rotflmao.

What importance do you believe the 2008 Republican Platform will play in this Presidential election? What if anything can the McCain opposition do to influence it?

[DoughtyOne]

If you're going to suggest that McCain wasn't calling for more troops in Iraq from the start, there's really no point in discussing it. I'm not perfect.  If he was, he was.  I still say it's a lot easier for John McCain to disagree with Bush on everything, and then capitlize on it when he was right.  Hey, I happen to fall in that category too, so I have to live by the same damnation on that.  You know as well as I do that John was so angry after his loss of the nomination in 2000, he was beside himself with anger.  He went on every talk show he could opposing many of the things Bush did.  I found that to be a chicken-shit attitude to do it from day one. If you don't think Obama will pull our troops out immediately (he doesn't need Congressional authority on either troop levels or Gitmo), then you have not been listening to Obama.

He and Hillary did some interviews or debates about three weeks ago, and both stated they would not be able to pull the troups out immediately.  I do realize they had said they would for some time, but evidently those promises are no longer operative.

In my opinion, an Obama win will not only destroy Conservatives , it will do irreperable damage to the country.

How can a guy who stands against everything Conservatism stands for, reduce the numbers of people who believe in Conservatism?  If anything, the numbers of Conservatives would grow exponentially. Look what happened under Clinton in 1994.  We took the House and Senate for the first time in something like 50 years.

An Obama win will be seen as confirmation that Conservatism is gone for good.

No, untrue.  What it would prove is that a RINO can't win without Conservative support.  If John is elected knowing what we know about him (Listed above), and what he has proposed to do, then that makes it clear the Conservative movement is done.

I have said it before and I'll say it here again.

A John McCain victory in November ends the Conservative movement in the United States.  After that, Conservatism will only be a theory.  It will not be practiced by enough office holders in the nation to make it a viable movement after January 20th, 2009.

[DoughtyOne]

Very nice. You’re the go to person.

Thanks for the point about John’s wife also.

In one of the debates John said, “I took the lead for Conservatism durign the Reagan years... well actually I was a foot soldier.”

He knew he was busted as soon as he said it, so he backed off a bit.

I had not realized that John had taken an alternative view in the matter of troops in Lebanon. I do appreciate you filling in that gap for us.

[Neverforget01]

When we've surrendered in Iraq and our troops have sacrificed in vain, at least you can take comfort in saying a Rino lost.

Thanks for the discussion.

[Rockitz]

From my FR profile:

My family proudly supported DUNCAN HUNTER for president in 2008, but has drawn the line at Mitt Romney. We’ll vote 3rd party or stay home if McCain or Huckabee appear anywhere on the GOP ticket.

Three questions for the party loyalists in the audience:

1. How much worse than Carter can Hillary or Obama do?
2. How much better than Reagan can we expect after the country is once again sick of democrat control of the Whitehouse?
3. Will republicans in congress more readily rise up against a “faux republican” governing like a democrat in the Whitehouse than a democrat in the Whitehouse on matters of principle? (Do you really think we should confuse these morons anymore than they already are?)

I’m certainly willing to risk it. A RINO president gets the conservative movement nowhere and risks the death of the only viable political party capable of executing a conservative agenda. I’d rather lose the battle with Romney than win the battle and lose the war with McCain.

[DoughtyOne]

Is that supposed to be bad Jeff?

I spend my time trying to affect people’s beliefs in accordance with my views. Isn’t that what you would urge Conservatives to do?

Our founding fathers spent a lot of time hashing out their beliefs. Should we be any different, if our desires are to see the best outcome possible for our nation?