McCain Apparently Calculates He Can Win Without Conservatives

May 11, 2008 | pinochet

[Kozak]

Word is that he may choose Huckster.

I'm not voting for McCain, and that choice of a VP will set my decision in stone.

[mirkwood]

[DBrow]

“How about promising to appoint strict constructionist judges?”

He’s already on record that he finds Alito “too conservative”. If I suddenly hear that he’ll appoint more judges, as conservative or more conservative than Alito, I’d disregard it as pandering to get my vote, like John Kerry and Mitt Romney the hunters, or Bill Clinton and his Middle Class Tax Cut.

[mirkwood]

[lilylangtree]

His actions make it easier to NOT vote for McPain.

[knarf]

Now, why would a democrat want the conservative vote ?

[mirkwood]

[no dems]

He also promised to get the borders under control before legalizing illegal aliens. Since, he has proposed to start naturalizing them right along with those who have been waiting in line. I don’t trust any promise this guy makes.

I can understand why.

[DBrow]

“where else are we going?”

If we keep rewarding the RNC, we are going left.

[Salvation]

He will also have conservatives, because conservatives do not ‘Bama or Hillary in the WhiteHouse.

[mirkwood]

[Owen]

All, the Obama activists arrive.

Try to focus all posts on FR for the next 6 mos or so on defeating Obama — but only after he’s nominated. All other commentary can wait for after the election.

[null and void]

‘On [that] world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.’

‘Odd,’ said Arthur, ‘I thought you said it was a democracy?’

‘I did,’ said Ford, ‘It is.’

‘So,’ said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, ‘why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?’

‘It honestly doesn’t occur to them,’ said Ford. ‘They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.’

‘You mean they actually vote for the lizards?’

‘Oh yes,’ said Ford with a shrug, ‘of course.’

‘But,’ said Arthur, going for the big one again, ‘why?’

‘Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,’ said Ford, ‘the wrong lizard might get in.’

[KrisKrinkle]

“If elected Clinton or Obama would not be the head of the Conservative movement. If elected, John McCain would be.”

Who’s the head of the Conservative movenment now? It’s certainly not the President and I don’t see a reason to believe it will be the President when McCain gets elected.

[mgist]

At this point, I don’t care if McCain secretly supports planned parenthood. I would even vote for Hillary if she ran against Obama. I liked him at one point, after Wright, his book excerpts, etc., He gives me the hebeejeevees (sp)!!!

[frankjr]

Where’s the link to the moron who wrote this article?

[MARTIAL MONK]

In the past ten years the average Republican Senator has voted with the majority of his Republican collegues 87.15% of the time. McCain has supported the Republican position 82.5% of the time. He has departed from Republican orthodoxy roughly 5% more often than his average peer. Included in that 5% are his votes against pork, excessive spending, wasteful programs, etc. He’s not really that much of a maverick.

[DoughtyOne]

Neither of these two could do the damage to Conservatism that a leftist John McCain could from within the Conservative movement itself.

Kidding, right? Obama is financed by George Soros.

McCain is linked with Goerge Soros also.  Soros funded one of McCain's pet projects.  So did another leading socialist jackass whose name I can recall right now.

His buddies are old SDS and Weathermen. He has the appearance of giving Hamas and Iran a do-good. He did fire his advisor who contacted Hamas, but that was probably a cosmetic “Oh! WTF! We got caught” moment.

I don't necessarily disagree about Obama, but whose fellow traveler is McCain, since he has also been in bed with Soros?  Let's not forget that McCain has advocated closing down Gitmo, granting the terrorists there Geneva Convention status, wants water boarding stopped and has advocated they have access to our courts.  If Obama proposed this the Republican would stand up in unison and rebell!  If McCain proposes it, the RNC and Congressional Republicans will be on board.  That's what I'm trying to explain.

This guy has so much baggage and so many bad elements surrounding him that I doubt, sincerely, the country could survive four years of him. Dickie Durbin and his cronies are socialists.

As bad as Obama is, at least he would have opposition.  If McCain proposes something leftist, the Democrats, the RNC and the Congressional Republicans will go along.  People on this very forum will find a multitude of reason to explain away John's treachery.  Look at his vote for Ginsberg.  I have folks tell me that wasn't so bad all the time.  They do so because John did it.  If Ted Kennedy did it (and I'm certain he did), they'd be willing to castrate the guy over it.  Isn't this dynamic obvious, and very troubling to you?

“The Global Poverty Act,” has just been rushed through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, with the assistance of Democratic Senator Joe Biden, the chairman, and Republican Senator Richard Lugar. The legislation (S.2433) commits the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars more in foreign aid on the rest of the world, in order to comply with the “Millennium Goals” established by the United Nations. Conservative members of the committee were largely caught off-guard by the move to pass the Obama bill but are putting a “hold” on it, in order to try to prevent the legislation, which also quickly passed the House, from being quickly brought up for a full Senate vote.”  Okay, but who opposes John McCain when he proposes global warming legislation?  Almost nobody will.  The Democrats will back him because it's their agenda.  The RNC will back him because he's their point man.  The Republicans in Congress that want White House access and quid pro quo will as well.  We won't have anyone left to oppose him.

The European socialists are also running Obama.  And on Global Warming, Gitmo and a number of other issues, who drives John McCain.  John has already stated that we need to listen to the E.U. more.  How much more clear could it be?

We cannot stand four years of this guy. The country will never recover from it as it takes years and years to undo damage and sometimes it never heals.

You tell me what four years of John McCain leadership will do to the Conservative movment.  Here, let's make this easier.  I'm going to attach a commentary I have developed and posted lately.  See if it makes any sense to you.

Senator John McCain wants to be the figure-head of Conservatism.  Okay, lets think that out...

John McCain becomes President.  He's still the same old John McCain.

The RNC backs his liberal policies to maintain a position of power
The Republicans in Congress back his polices to maintain access to the White House
Republican candidates for Congressional seats move to the left, since John McCain proved that moving to the left assures RNC support  and votes
The Republican party leadership at the state level moves left as McCain and the RNC demand it
Republican candidates at the state level move to the left, since John McCain proved that moving to the left assures Republican support and votes
Republican Conservative office holders across the nation will be silenced
Apologists on Conservative forums across this nation defend McCain against the few Conservatives who are left, and attack them there (forums move left)
Last but not least, the Democrats move even farther left to differentiate themselves from McCain

Who writes Conservative bills and rams them through state or federal government after that?

Who talks about Conservatism from a position of power?  Who takes the chance to disagree with McCain on anything?

Under a John McCain Presidency, Conservatism ceases to become a movement, and becomes a theory.  It will no longer be practiced by enough politicians to be viable.

Under leftist McCain, there is no functional opposition.  Promoting leftist policy, it all passes without opposition, nobody objects to the liberal policies
Under leftist Hillary or Barack, there is not only a functional opposition, it grows by leaps and bounds in objection to their policies

We saw what a one party system did to Arkansas under Clinton.  It was terrible.  Now we want to install that in our federal government, leftists one and all.

No thanks.  Color me dumb, but I'm not voting to turn the U.S. into 1980s Arkansas.

LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on the Republican National Committee, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on future candidates, it's being advocated
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on State level Republican party leadership, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on Republican Conservative office holder voices, it's happening
LINK: Welcome to McCain's impact on Conservative forums, it's happening

Folks, you either wake the hell up, or doom conservatism to oblivion.  After November the 4th, it's too late.  You will have silenced Conservatism in our nation for four or eight years, and quite possibly forever.

[South40]

Taxes? He opposed the Bush tax cuts. He's only supporting them now because he's throwing you a bone.

McCain's thoroughly entrenched in the Ted Kennedy wing of the Republican Party. He sold out the party in his quest to get elected.

[South40]

Good one!