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McCain Apparently Calculates He Can Win Without Conservatives
May 11, 2008 | pinochet

Posted on 05/10/2008 5:00:57 PM PDT by pinochet

McCain has recently been making efforts to reach out to all sorts of people not traditionally associated with the GOP. He appeared on the View, the Daily Show, before black civil rights activists in Alabama, etc.

When is he going to make a serious effort to reach out to conservatives? How about promising to appoint strict constructionist judges? How about re-assurances on gun ownership rights? What about reducing the out-of-control spending of this administation? Does he take conservative support for granted? Does he even want them?

Maybe he sees that Obama and his kooky spiritual advisor have totally freaked most Americans. Apparently, he thinks he can build a coalition of RINOS, Independents, and Hillary Clinton Democrats. Those voters, combined with some sullen conservatives who will vote out of party loyalty and "stand by their man" like abused housewives, will be enough to assure him victory.

The media has long praised McCain for repudiating the "wingnuts", as they describe his party's base. If McCain can win without any effort to reach out to conservatives, then he will ignore them completely while in office. The conservative movement of Reagan of 1980-1988, and Gingrich of 1994-1998, is either dead or on life-support.


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KEYWORDS: 2008; conservatives; conservativevote; gopcoup; mccain; mccainiac; mccaint; proamerican; republicans; rino; rinorevolution; rinos
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To: JDoutrider

BFLR


221 posted on 05/10/2008 10:40:54 PM PDT by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: DoughtyOne
In the Senate, I am refering to those who were astute enough to vote against the confirmation of Ginsberg. In Congress, I'm merely expressing my perception. If someone wants to claim ...

Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't questioning the estimate, just acknowledging that whatever the number we have a clear problem. We are in general agreement.

It's open season and he'll have four years to bag his limit.

Based on this comment, some will claim he is "pro hunting." ;-)

222 posted on 05/10/2008 10:49:08 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: norge

Norge, you are welcome to view my rejection of McCain any way you like. I understand your consternation, but I have gone out of my way to express what my concerns are. If you’re being honest with me, you should be able to understand my point of view, even if you don’t agree with it.

Thank you for discussing the issue with me.


223 posted on 05/10/2008 11:01:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: calcowgirl

Darn it, I’ve got to watch what I say around here. I didn’t mean to imply that!!!

LOL

You take care.


224 posted on 05/10/2008 11:02:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: pinochet

At this point I would rather see a third party candidate elected president. Then it would be a gridlocked government throughout the first term. We would be better off if the government just shut down except for the Pentagon.


225 posted on 05/10/2008 11:58:44 PM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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To: exhaustguy
Libertarian in 2008, whoever the candidate will be

This would probably gridlock the government but I would welcome it. A third party candidate would be accepted by neither party. But the less they get done the better for the company. The politicians won't be able to sell out our sovereignty or pull troops out of Iraq or increase domestic spending.

226 posted on 05/11/2008 12:13:34 AM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Your points may be valid or not, but I think your conclusion is wrong. However, please do what you must.

As for your contention that conservatism will suffer, I don’t agree. I believe that conservatism is taking a breather right now, but that it will revive sometime in the future.

I suspect that with your screen name you were around in ‘64 when it appeared that conservatism was almost dead, and was about to be buried. Those were not good days to be a conservative...yet it led to some heady days some 12-16 years later.

It will survive McCain, and surely it will survive Obama or Clinton. I would rather spend my last years with the lesser of the evils.


227 posted on 05/11/2008 6:39:19 AM PDT by norge
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To: Clintonfatigued; pinochet
When is he going to make a serious effort to reach out to conservatives? How about promising to appoint strict constructionist judges? How about re-assurances on gun ownership rights? What about reducing the out-of-control spending of this administation? Does he take conservative support for granted? Does he even want them?

Are you kidding me?? And even on gun rights he has made accomodations to the right. The McCain Platform (read it)
228 posted on 05/11/2008 7:54:13 AM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Norman Bates

“And even on gun rights he has made accomodations to the right.”

A Republican nominee should not be “maiking accomodations to the right” he SHOULD BE THE DAMNED RIGHT.


229 posted on 05/11/2008 8:14:49 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain voters believe that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: Grunthor

Temper, temper.


230 posted on 05/11/2008 8:26:30 AM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Norman Bates

Yea yeah, you KNOW I’m correct on this.


231 posted on 05/11/2008 8:32:42 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain voters believe that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.)
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To: Grunthor

thank you for speaking the truth very succinctly.


232 posted on 05/11/2008 8:48:09 AM PDT by chae (I am karmic retribution)
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To: pinochet

IOW McCain KNOWS he is Bob Dole.


233 posted on 05/11/2008 8:49:44 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: norge

Thank you for the additional comments Norge. Take care.


234 posted on 05/11/2008 10:43:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Apparently, you really don’t get it... His lifetime rating is 82, which is really close to his 2007 rating of 80. How is that a “big drop” like you’re trying to portray?

Tell me - who will you vote for?

Apparantly, YOU don't get it. Sounds like you put too much stock into a rating that is meaningless if you are basing that on the idea McCain is conservative or even has remote conservative ideals (hint: he does not).

My vote was for Fred Thompson, but look what our options are right now. I was hard on Romney, but I would have gladly been able to support him at this time if it were he versus Obama/Hillary.

235 posted on 05/11/2008 10:58:52 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway
If McCain grabs Hillary for a running mate, he could very well take the election. When you add the moderates to the women in comfortable shoes vote, the electorate is given the choice between center-left and left.

The conservatives could end up in the wilderness. This has been a problem coming ever since the big changeover of Dems becoming Republicans in the early 1990s. Many of them changed parties, but not positions. The Republican upper crust was never comfortable with the Reagan coalition, and works hard to weed out conservatives in the primary process.

236 posted on 05/11/2008 11:04:27 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball
If Mccain grabbed Hillary, wouldn't she have to change party affiliation? I don't think that would bode well for Republicans supporting a move like that. Conservatives would never vote for her.

Also would send a message to the Democrats she is more about power than principals if she abandoned her Democratic party.

237 posted on 05/11/2008 11:09:36 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Richard Kimball

That would perhaps put the final nail in the coffin of the Republican party. Having the enemy within the party would cause it to implode and would need to be rebuilt from the ground up (which is coming out way (hopefully sooner than later)) which is not a bad thing if we can re-state conservative values as a Republican trait as opposed to the moderate view that has become the norm of late.


238 posted on 05/11/2008 11:12:29 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Blue Highway
Well, actually Cheney shouldn't have been able to be VP, as the VP and Presidential candidates are supposed to live in different states. Cheney just moved his official residency back to Wyoming.

If Clinton and McCain want it, they'll figure out some way to make it happen. I don't know if it's even a possibility. It may just be a great soap opera twist that some bloggers are putting out there for fun. However, if it wasn't for the fact that Hillary standing in front of the Republican convention waving would likely cause bigger riots than Hillary in Denver would cause, I suspect he would seriously consider it.

239 posted on 05/11/2008 11:19:42 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: DoughtyOne
With Clinton or Obama in power, Conservatism grows. With McCain in office, Conservatism is essentially destroyed.

That is it, exactly! I am more angry with conservatives voting for McCain than anything else. He needs to lose.

240 posted on 05/11/2008 11:22:47 AM PDT by upsdriver (My kingdom for an acceptable presidential candidate!!)
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