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Fear, but Few Facts, on Hybrid Risk
New York Times ^ | April 27, 2008 | Jim Montavalli

Posted on 05/10/2008 3:52:26 PM PDT by billorites

ALMOST without exception, scientists and policy makers agree that hybrid vehicles are good for the planet. To a small but insistent group of skeptics, however, there is another, more immediate question: Are hybrids healthy for drivers?

There is a legitimate scientific reason for raising the issue. The flow of electrical current to the motor that moves a hybrid vehicle at low speeds (and assists the gasoline engine on the highway) produces magnetic fields, which some studies have associated with serious health matters, including a possible risk of leukemia among children.

With the batteries and power cables in hybrids often placed close to the driver and passengers, some exposure to electromagnetic fields is unavoidable. Moreover, the exposure will be prolonged — unlike, say, using a hair dryer or electric shaver — for drivers who spend hours each day at the wheel.

Their concern is not without merit; agencies including the National Institutes of Health and the National Cancer Institute acknowledge the potential hazards of long-term exposure to a strong electromagnetic field, or E.M.F., and have done studies on the association of cancer risks with living near high-voltage utility lines.

“The results that we saw were quite concerning,” he said. “We saw high levels in the vehicle for both the driver and left rear passenger, which has prompted us to explore shielding options and to consider advocating testing of different makes and models of hybrid vehicles.”

In a statement, Toyota said: “The measured electromagnetic fields inside and outside of Toyota hybrid vehicles in the 50 to 60 hertz range are at the same low levels as conventional gasoline vehicles. Therefore there are no additional health risks to drivers, passengers or bystanders.”

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To: billorites

Well, I certainly wouldn’t buy a hybrid. They’re very expensive, they don’t get the mileage they advertise, and I’m not convinced that they will save the planet. Quite the reverse, probably, with all those batteries and electric motors to recycle or dispose of.


21 posted on 05/10/2008 4:29:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: billorites

I’ve been told that there are areas within modern chopper-regulated diesel-to-AC locomotoves into which humans must not venture when under power, because of high-strength radiated fields.


22 posted on 05/10/2008 4:32:57 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: billorites

Funny, I haven’t heard about any safety studies being done on them.


23 posted on 05/10/2008 4:33:20 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: billorites
For all hybrid owners...


24 posted on 05/10/2008 4:37:36 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: billorites

Should I throw out my telephones and hard drives just to be on safe side?


25 posted on 05/10/2008 4:38:07 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: HEY4QDEMS
How many do you want?

LOL, you do an excellent impersonation of a... well, let's just say it rhymes with boron.

Quotation from your FIRST LINK:


26 posted on 05/10/2008 4:49:27 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: Cicero

I purchased a Mariner several years ago. It has consistantly provided better mileage than was advertised. I have gotten as high as 32 MPG in hiway conditions.

It’s parts are recycleable. What’s the problem with that?

Tell you what, I’m happy with the vehicle. It has served my purposes very well.


27 posted on 05/10/2008 4:50:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: Cicero

“They’re very expensive, they don’t get the mileage they advertise” What is expensive? My 2006 Prius cost around 25K, I getting over all around 53 MPG and many times over 60 MPG if I take it easy on the gas pedal. No watermellon( green on the outside red in the middle) here! Just thrifty.


28 posted on 05/10/2008 4:54:12 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I'm not endorsing the studies. I was simply pointing them out to you.

Additionally, the only point of contention in all of them is the link between EMF and one particular type of leukemia called ‘ALL’.

This is why I even wonder why so much is made out of the link to begin with. ALL is very rare and affects something like less than one in 4000 people, assuming that prolonged periods of proximity to EMF doubles your chances of getting the disease, you would still have a less than one in 2000 chance of being afflicted.

In short, I don't know what all the fuss is about.

29 posted on 05/10/2008 4:55:52 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: delacoert

Perhaps I was trying to impersonate you.


30 posted on 05/10/2008 4:58:36 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: HEY4QDEMS
In short, I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Me either.

31 posted on 05/10/2008 4:59:34 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: RFEngineer; Rca2000
“In a statement, Toyota said: “The measured electromagnetic fields inside and outside of Toyota hybrid vehicles in the 50 to 60 hertz range are at the same low levels as conventional gasoline vehicles. Therefore there are no additional health risks to drivers, passengers or bystanders.””

This is a curiously worded statement.....as if there are no electromagnetic fields of concern but in the 50-60Hz range.


I know the Prius uses an AC motor so naturally you have to use an inverter to convert the DC current to AC. I did find a Department of Energy PDF file on the Prius and according to that, the electricity varies in cycles from 33 to 401 cycles, it uses an AC synchronous motor so that variable AC cycles would make sense. I think the general risk is minimal for the most part but there are still some things about electric fields and their effects that we may not know about so who knows what to think? I've heard my share of stories where people get sick to the stomach when they encounter high electrical fields and where one guy took two bulk tape erasers to his head and he suffered physiological and psychological problems after that.

Then you have things like the chemicals in the batteries and the voltage, I've heard stories of people leaning over 36 volt golf cart battery systems where they electrocuted themselves, most likely across the heart, not a good place to get shocked across.

I'm an amateur radio operator so I do have a lot of interest in this stuff. Pinging RCA2000 for some thoughts.
32 posted on 05/10/2008 5:02:18 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama the Anti-Christ? "Barak Ho-Tep!! Barak Ho-Tep!")
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Currents (which induce magnetic fields) have an influence on charged particles.


33 posted on 05/10/2008 5:15:04 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Currents (which induce magnetic fields) have an influence on charged particles.


34 posted on 05/10/2008 5:15:10 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: billorites

IF there is a breakthrough in battery design, a car could be built with 3 batteries, controlled by a computer, with solar cells in the roof, hood, and trunk, and a small gas powered generator to keep the batteries up. The computer would switch batteries when their charge fell to a certain level and they would be re-charged while not being used. The key is being able to make batteries light enough. (nano-tech.?) The car would never need any other charge, but an ac charger could also be incorporated. dream on.


35 posted on 05/10/2008 5:42:18 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Raycpa

“Should I throw out my telephones and hard drives just to be on safe side?”

Yes you should. just to be safe send your plasma TV to me for safety testing.


36 posted on 05/10/2008 5:45:58 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Nowhere Man
I suspect that the Toyota statement about 50-60Hz is because the bulk of the research literature is oriented at studies about the effects of power lines on human tissue and systems.

The concern over E/M fields has to do with how they interfere with electro-chemical reactions in the body. Just like the various scanning technologies like MRI work by exposing the body to various frequencies that cause various atoms in the body to resonate and then radiate a signal.

It appears that the science is far from being settled on any real risks.

37 posted on 05/10/2008 5:52:49 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Cicero
"Well, I certainly wouldn’t buy a hybrid. They’re very expensive, they don’t get the mileage they advertise, and I’m not convinced that they will save the planet."

You don't buy a hybrid to save the planet.

But rather to demonstrate your environmental bona fides and to flaunt your moral superiority.

OK, while also letting everyone know that you have teeny-tiny mouse sized genitals...

...which you've never had occasion to use.

Not since the airport bathroom in Minneapolis...

38 posted on 05/10/2008 5:52:53 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: DoughtyOne
"I purchased a Mariner several years ago. It has consistently provided better mileage than was advertised. I have gotten as high as 32 MPG in hiway conditions."

Mr. Robinson I have here in my hand a list of 205 . . . a list of names that were made known to me as being owners of hybrid vehicles and who nevertheless are still posting and lurking at Free Republic. . .

39 posted on 05/10/2008 6:05:49 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: infantrywhooah

I’ve not seen any real proof of cancers caused by proximity to high tension wires. There’s a lot of anecdotal ‘evidence’, but the actual scientific studies have been ambiguous, at best.


40 posted on 05/10/2008 6:07:01 PM PDT by SuziQ
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