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F/A-18 fighter is IAF's best bet: US Navy
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Posted on 05/08/2008 11:59:14 PM PDT by Arjun

LEMOORE NAVAL AIR STATION (CALIFORNIA): The race for a $10 billion Indian order for 126 fighters just got hotter with the US Navy enthusiastically batting for the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, saying it was best suited for an Indian Air Force (IAF) requirement for a multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA).

Such was the spirit with which UN Navy pilots put the jet through its paces at this sprawling air base in central California that it left no doubt it was making a strong pitch for the fighter that it assisted Boeing in developing.

"The F/A-18 has delivered on all that it promised to do - and more. We are sure it will do the same for you," Captain Hal Murdoch, commander of the Strike Fighter Wing of the US Pacific Fleet, told a group of visiting Indian journalists here Thursday.

He spoke after pilots of the US Navy's VFA 122 "Screaming Eagles" squadron performed a series of intricate manoeuvres in the sky and displayed the quick reaction ability of the F/A-18 to get airborne after a threat was detected.

"Your air force operates the (Sukhoi) SU-30 and this is a formidable aircraft. Without meaning any disrespect, I submit to you that the F/A-18 is ahead in its ability to manoeuvre," added Commander Greg Harris, the squadron's commanding officer.

Harris first flew on the Super Hornet as a navigator during the first Gulf War. He thereafter trained as a pilot and has flown the aircraft on three tours of duty in the ongoing US-led operations in Iraq.

The F/A-18 is one of the six jets in the fray for the IAF order, which is likely to go up to 200 aircraft. The bids submitted by the six manufacturers were submitted last week and these will now be evaluated over the next three years before the winner is selected.

The US Lockheed Martin F-16, the French Rafale, the Swedish Grippen, the Russian MiG-23 and the Eurofighter Typhoon that is manufactured by a four-nation European conglomerate are the other aircraft in the fray.

Harris was very forthcoming in response to a question on the advantages the F/A-18 enjoyed over the F-16.

"For one, the Super Hornet is a twin-engine aircraft against the single engine of the competitor. This increases its survivability factor over the F-16," he pointed out.

"Besides, the extensive use of composite materials makes the Super Hornet corrosion resistant and gives it a long structural life.

This apart, the Super Hornet's cutting-edge technology AESA (advanced electronically scanned array) radar that enables it to seamlessly switch to an AWACS (airborne warning and control system) mode even while flying a combat mission gave it a distinct advantage over all its rivals.

"The F-16 does have an AESA-type radar but not of the capability of the Super Hornet," Harris maintained.

"The US Navy's support to the Super Hornet has been demonstrated successfully and can be tailored specifically for India," he added.

Should the Super Hornet be selected, Harris said, the initial batch of IAF pilots and technicians would be trained on the US Navy's simulators at Lemoore and brought up to levels that would enable them train their colleagues in India.

"This training would be jointly conducted by Boeing and the US Navy and the cost of this had been factored into the tender that had been submitted by the manufacturer in response to the IAF's request for proposal," Harris added.

He also pointed to the safety record of the Super Hornet, saying that only four crashes had occurred during the half a million hours the aircraft had flown since it entered service in 2001.

"These crashes involved two mid-air collisions with human error as the cause. There has been no mechanical failure so far that has resulted in a crash," he added.

The IAF desperately needs new aircraft to replace it fast depleting fleet of Soviet-era MiG jets of various variants, principally the MiG-21. This has seen IAF force levels plummeting to an alarming 30 squadrons from a peak of 39 1/2 - against a sanctioned strength of 45 squadrons.

At one time, it was thought that the indigenously developed Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA) would fill the void. However, time and cost overruns in this project had prompted the IAF to issue a request for information (RFI) in 2003 for the MRCAs.

The Tejas is likely to be inducted into squadron service only around 2012 - around the time the MRCAs that win the IAF order are likely to start arriving. At the same time, there are indications that the IAF is not too happy with the Tejas and may induct only two squadrons of the aircraft.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; boeing; fa18; iaf; india; navair; navy; usn
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1 posted on 05/08/2008 11:59:14 PM PDT by Arjun
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To: Arjun

I want one.


2 posted on 05/09/2008 12:07:52 AM PDT by Fichori (FreeRepublic.com: Watch your step!)
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To: Arjun

“The US Lockheed Martin F-16, the French Rafale, the Swedish Grippen, the Russian MiG-23 and the Eurofighter Typhoon that is manufactured by a four-nation European conglomerate are the other aircraft in the fray”

I don’t claim to be an expert, but the Mig-23 seems like an odd bird in that crowd. Even with upgrades, I would think it would not be competitive with the other entries (except in price).

I could be wrong, though - like I said, I’m no expert here.


3 posted on 05/09/2008 12:32:48 AM PDT by DemforBush
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To: DemforBush

Actually its the mig-35 and I think the Super hornet and the Mig are the 2 main contenders. The IAF is actually happy with the performance of the Mig and it has the benefit of years of experience with the mig.

Superhornet lacks range but otherwise is really the best of the lot.


4 posted on 05/09/2008 1:07:51 AM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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To: DemforBush

That’s most likely a type.

The plane on offer is the MiG 35.


5 posted on 05/09/2008 1:15:11 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Arjun; CarrotAndStick

Thanks! :) That (the MiG-35 being the actual plane) makes a lot more sense.


6 posted on 05/09/2008 1:28:00 AM PDT by DemforBush
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To: Arjun

“Superhornet lacks range but otherwise is really the best of the lot.”

Range is not a matter because India is such a small country with short borders to Pakistan or India. Maybe for two F-18 India gets one KC-767 for free.


7 posted on 05/09/2008 1:48:27 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: MHalblaub
Range is not a matter because India is such a small country with short borders to Pakistan or India.

You're kidding, right? The F-18 will probably need to refuel more than twice to cover India's north-south extent.

As for a more realistic situation, say the planes needing to cross the Himalayas into China, the thinner and colder air will further reduce efficiency. Complicating that even more is China's geography- all their major cities are on the opposite end of the Indo-Chinese border.

8 posted on 05/09/2008 1:53:58 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

The Indian Air Force wants to replace some MIG-21.
They already have some MIG-29.
I’m not quite sure what India wants?
Even a F-18 has a greater range than a MIG-21.


9 posted on 05/09/2008 3:12:52 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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To: MHalblaub
No, no. The MiG-21s will be replaced by the Tejas.

The F-18s are to supplement the frontline Su-30 MKIs.


10 posted on 05/09/2008 3:27:46 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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11 posted on 05/09/2008 4:00:14 AM PDT by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: MHalblaub

“Range is not a matter because India is such a small country “
Well No. India has a long border with China and so any MRCA has to be able to fly longer missions should a skirmish arise. MRCA cant be seen as Pak-centric.


12 posted on 05/09/2008 4:17:37 AM PDT by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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Harris first flew on the Super Hornet as a navigator during the first Gulf War.

That would have been difficult considering the Super Hornet didn't achieve IOC until November 1999.

13 posted on 05/09/2008 5:04:49 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: CarrotAndStick

>>the thinner and colder air will further reduce efficiency.

Wrong on several counts.


14 posted on 05/09/2008 5:09:16 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: DemforBush

The MiG-23 is definately out of place. It wasn’t a good fighter when it was brand new.


15 posted on 05/09/2008 5:09:24 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: Arjun

The author is an idiot...since when does the UN have a navy? And the MIG-23 is an old aircraft introduced in the early 70s and retired in the 90s.


16 posted on 05/09/2008 5:09:46 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: CarrotAndStick
As for a more realistic situation, say the planes needing to cross the Himalayas into China, the thinner and colder air will further reduce efficiency. Complicating that even more is China's geography- all their major cities are on the opposite end of the Indo-Chinese border.

The higher the altitude (up to 40,000 ft), the more efficient a jet engine is. They are least efficient at sea level.

17 posted on 05/09/2008 5:12:04 AM PDT by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people, socialist nannies do not become us.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
You're kidding, right? The F-18 will probably need to refuel more than twice to cover India's north-south extent.

We're talking about the Superhornet here, not the original F-18. It has a much greater range than its younger sibling.

18 posted on 05/09/2008 5:28:12 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

Older that is....


19 posted on 05/09/2008 5:28:42 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: MHalblaub

Yup, India is a small country, about 1/3rd the size of the US, with some of the highest mountain ranges


20 posted on 05/09/2008 5:46:34 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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