Posted on 05/06/2008 11:42:12 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
The City of North Lauderdale is taking a tough stance on home rule, and because of this they are spearheading an effort to split Florida into two states. They have passed a resolution, asking that a boundary line to split South Florida from the rest of the state be drawn at the Palm Beach County line. They're taking it so seriously that they want counties in South Florida, such as Miami-Dade, Broward, and Monroe to join in supporting them.
CBS4 viewers responded enthusiastically, and often humorously, when asked to submit a motto for the new state of South Florida.
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No! Florida has actually been two countries for a long time! South Florida is like the Tower of Babel.
There is nothign in teh Constitution that would prohbit secession. Every state has that legal right.
That’s one of those items that has been argued for a long time. I guess it depends on what side of the legality of secession you are on.
That's only because of the signs posted on I-95 just before Palm Beach County that read: "Now leavng the United States of America".
If you read the onstitution, it’s pretty clear. There is nothing there that prohibits secession.
And it’s the ultimate mechaism for states when the Federal government unconstitutionally violates their rights.
This could then be argued that secession would require the same legal weight as breaking a treaty, ie, approval from the legislative and executive branch. So technically, secession is legal if the proper legal path is followed.
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...what this seems to me is there is a legal way it can be done, but the only time it has happened (Civil War) it was not done Constitutionally.
In what way? How woudl you do it legally? The stte legislature declared themselves out of the Union. Simple as that.
Teh States made teh Union, not the other way around.
See previous post to that. Treaties are high law of the land and thus, to be changed or broken, would have to be approved by Congress and the Presidency.
And Missouri.......the Mason Dixon line out there is Wilson’s Creek.
Another state is a TERRIBLE idea. Now, if these liberal sicko counties want to SECEDE from the Union and declare themselves independent of America, then that might be an option. Let ‘em become part of the Bahamas or something.
THEN about four million living Democrat votes would be shaved off for whatever socialist is nominated in Denver next August...not to mention the extra several thousand non-existent voters.
The problem would be the loss of good, solid, conservative Republican Cuban voters (if anyone here doesn’t realize the Cubans were the margin between an Al Gore presidency and a G.W. Bush presidency in 2000, then you should now!).
Treaties have nothign to do with the relationship of the states to the Federal Union.
I wondered about that. Does it actually mean, like it's worded, that no new states can be formed within another state (so for instance if Los Angeles County decided to be its own state with the rest of CA surrounding it)? Because dividing a state down the middle into two states doesn't seem to be the same thing to me.
There is Hispanic Dade County (but it is far from all Cuban) They can go Republican, especially after Elian or for Mel when he runs for Gov. The old Miami Beach Jewish vote is pretty much gone. Mixed R/D
There are the Condo Commandos , Broward and Palm Beach Counties. New York South - Very Dem Butterfly Ballot Punchers. The New Florida Jewish vote. Very D
Then Protestant Paradise. Mostly retirees and a few swampie rednecks. From the Naples to New Port Richey. Condo Commandos who go to church, not schul. Katherine Harris voters. Pretty R
The I-4 Corridor from Tampa to Jax (remember Tampa and Jax are not really 100% in Florida. There is a lot of the new, non-touristy industrialized Florida there. Pretty R with some D
The Redneck Riviera. Jax to Pensacola. Hard Rs and Conservative Ds. Win three out of the five, you are elected. Win four, it's a landslide.
Not going to fly as a secession argument. That article speaks to responsibilities entered into before the adoption of the Constitution. Example, if the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania incurred a debt or incurred contractual obligations, or obligations as a result of litigation, they did not go away upon adoption of he Constitution and the change in Pennsylvania's status from Former Colony/Self-Governing Commonwealth/Confederation Member into a State.
Which of course opens the question, what were those political and geographic entities before they were states. Were they sovereign countries?
Texas was a sovereign country before admittance, many others were U.S Territories, but what were the 13 original "Whatevers?" from 1783, when by treaty there were certainly not colonies but what were they for the 4 years until the Constitution was formally adopted.
Sounds good to me, they can have all of South Florida and we’ll keep the REAL Florida! Go Gators!
Nam Vet
I am going to love this thread.
Ever since moving to South Florida back in 1999, I’ve always felt that South Florida was a whole other entity from the rest of the state.
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