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Why melting of ice sheets 'is impossible' -- (global warming deniers)Part XXXVII
National Post ^ | November 02, 2007 | Lawrence Solomon

Posted on 05/06/2008 11:38:46 AM PDT by Delacon

'Big Thaw,' a summertime spectacular in National Geographic magazine, provided awesome scenes of climate-change catastrophes.

The glaciers are melting. The ice sheets are melting. They're sliding rapidly out to sea. More rapidly than anyone imagined. Look for the ice sheets to collapse. Look for sea levels to rise. Etc. Etc.

National Geographic's breathless account, brilliantly illustrated with the stunning photography for which it is famous, won headlines around the world. It has been dramatized and magnified on nightly newscasts and blogs alike, and has become a staple in the popular imagination.

But it won't happen, says Prof. Cliff Ollier of the University of Western Australia. "Rapid melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets is impossible."

The National Geographic descriptions, on their face, seem plausible. "Ice seems rock hard when you crunch an ice cube or slip on a frozen puddle. But when piled in a great mass, ice oozes like slow, cold taffy," the article explained. "On Greenland, it flows outward from the heart of the ice sheet, a dome of ice the size of the Gulf of Mexico ... Four miles [six kilometres] wide and several thousand feet thick, Jakobshavn is an icy Amazon, disgorging more ice than any other Greenland glacier."

The article described fast-flowing glaciers such as Greenland's Jakobshavn. "In the past decade it doubled its speed, to roughly 120 feet [37 meters] a day. By now it discharges 11 cubic miles [45 cubic kilometres] of ice each year, jamming the fjord with fresh icebergs. As a result, Greenland lost 54 cubic miles of ice in 2005, more than twice as much as 10 years ago--"and more than some scientists were prepared to believe."

More alarmingly, the article reports that Greenland's ice sheet is starting to stir -- satellites have detected a weakening of Greenland's gravity --and that the same stirring may be occurring in Antarctica. The article describes a thinning Antarctic ice plain "of dead-flat ice" that in the next decade will be thin enough to float free.

"Once that happens and the ocean intrudes, a chain reaction of collapse could follow," the National Geographic article continues. "The bed is very deep and flat for the next 150 miles inland, so an enormous fjord would be created in the ice ... That would put the nail in the coffin -- it would go on accelerating, retreating, and drain a lot of that part of West Antarctica."

All this, Prof. Ollier explains, is nonsense. The scenarios raised in the National Geographic article stem from models divorced from the real world. They rely on imaginary glaciers and ice sheets -- not on the actual formations that exist in Greenland and Antarctica -- and demonstrate no understanding of how glaciers flow.

As one example, the models rely "on the concept of an ice sheet sliding down an inclined plane on a base lubricated by meltwater, which is itself increasing because of global warming," Prof. Ollier explains. "In reality, the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets occupy deep basins, and cannot slide down a plane."

Ice sheets, which can extend to a depth of several kilometres below the surface, can melt at their base -- the warmest part of the ice sheet, due to the heat of the Earth. The drilling of ice cores, revealing complete records of depositions over periods of hundreds of thousands of years, show that the ice sheets have accumulated without melting, even when temperatures have been warmer than now.

"Ice sheets do not melt from the surface down -- only at the edges," Prof. Ollier explains. The modellers' mechanism that has "meltwater lakes on the surface finding their way down through cracks in the ice and lubricating the bottom of the glacier is not compatible with accumulation of undisturbed snow layers."

In truth, the rate of ice flow now seen in the polar regions does not depend on the present climate, but on the accumulation of ice that occurred in the distant past. Neither is today's warming extraordinary: "Arctic explorers used to get their ships a lot closer to northern Green-land than you could now," he explains.

The records "do not fit the model of surface melting, even infrequently. After three-quarters of a million years of documented continuous accumulation, how can we believe that right now the world's ice sheets are collapsing!" 'The Big Thaw' is a Big Saw.

--- - Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and the Urban Renaissance Institute. www.urban-renaissance.org

CV OF A DENIER:

Dr. Cliff Ollier, a geologist, geomorphologist and soil scientist, is emeritus professor and honorary research fellow, University of Western Australia. He has authored or co-authored more than 500 publications, mostly in world-class journals, and 10 books, including the widely acclaimed Tectonics and Landforms and The Origin of Mountains. He received his doctorate from Bristol University.



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Back on 3/24 I rediscovered(hat tip Freeper Libwhacker)  a very overlooked series of articles written by Lawrence Solomon of the National Post that sought to show how there was no "consensus" on global warming. Mr. Solomon didn't have to dig up illuminati believing bloggers, corporate shills or political pundits to do it. He just found some of the most respected scientists in their respective fields of study. At the time, I could find 27 articles in the series. I since found there are 38 so far.  I will be posting the remaining 11 articles over the next few weeks. Mr. Solomon has just written a book based on the series called The Deniers: The World-Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**and those who are too fearful to do so. Freepmail me with a request to join my "the deniers"/global warming ping list if you'd like. Here is the series:

The Post's series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science. Here is the series so far:

Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X


End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI

Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII
 
Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX
Gore's guru disagreed -- The Deniers XX

The ice-core man -- The Deniers XXI

Some restraint in Rome -- The Deniers XXII
Discounting logic -- The Deniers XXIII
Dire forecasts aren't new -- The Deniers XXIV
They call this a consensus? -- Part XXV
NASA chief Michael Griffin silenced - Part XXVI
Forget warming - beware the new ice age -- Part XXVII
Open mind sees climate clearly -- Part XXVIII
Models trump measurements -- Part XXIX
What global warming, Australian skeptic asks -- Part XXX

In the eye of the storm of global warming -- Part XXXI
From chaos, coherence -- Part XXXII
The aerosol man -- Part XXXIII
The Hot Trend is cool yachts -- Part XXXIV
You still need your parka in Antarctica -- Part XXXV

IPCC too blinkered and corrupt to save -- Part XXXVI
Why melting of ice sheets 'is impossible' -- Part XXXVII
Climate change by Jupiter -- Part XXXVIII

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/pages/climate-change-the-deniers.aspx

 

In case you missed it up the thread, from Steelyourfaith...                                                               

1 posted on 05/06/2008 11:38:46 AM PDT by Delacon
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To: Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; ...

ping


2 posted on 05/06/2008 11:39:30 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
If only it was true... I am getting sick of extra-cold evenings in May.
3 posted on 05/06/2008 11:40:51 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Delacon

Bump for future perusal.


4 posted on 05/06/2008 11:46:15 AM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: Delacon

Thanks.


5 posted on 05/06/2008 11:46:46 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: pnh102

Yep, it’s been right down frigid in Texas at night, too.


6 posted on 05/06/2008 11:47:45 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: pnh102

I noticed your tagline. Please check this article out and tell me what you think.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2011224/posts


7 posted on 05/06/2008 11:48:19 AM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

ping for later. :-)


8 posted on 05/06/2008 12:02:14 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Delacon

“Summertime” is the operative word.


9 posted on 05/06/2008 12:05:54 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama's bus needs a lift kit just to clear all the bodies!)
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To: pnh102

I would like the freezes to stop now. Probably a lot of other gardeners would agree.


10 posted on 05/06/2008 12:08:50 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama's bus needs a lift kit just to clear all the bodies!)
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To: Delacon

oh but you see facts and evidence on this subject do not support the “DISASTER DOTTIE” play, the media wants to stress so much, so they have hooked to the fraudulent GORE train,how can there be so many stupid people?


11 posted on 05/06/2008 12:17:40 PM PDT by porgygirl (DIESEL BOATS FOREVER,GROUPER,PIPER,REMORA)
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FReepmail me to get on or off
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12 posted on 05/06/2008 12:18:29 PM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: Delacon

Sssssshhhhh! Don’t let Algore hear you!


13 posted on 05/06/2008 1:02:54 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Delacon
CV OF A DENIER:

Dr. Cliff Ollier, a geologist, geomorphologist and soil scientist, is emeritus professor and honorary research fellow, University of Western Australia. He has authored or co-authored more than 500 publications, mostly in world-class journals, and 10 books, including the widely acclaimed Tectonics and Landforms and The Origin of Mountains. He received his doctorate from Bristol University.

That's nice. But has he made any movies?

14 posted on 05/06/2008 1:26:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: TigersEye

“That’s nice. But has he made any movies?”

LOL.


15 posted on 05/06/2008 1:33:50 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
He probably doesn't even have a MySpace page.
These Global Warming deniers are soooooo nowhere, dewd.
16 posted on 05/06/2008 1:47:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: TigersEye

Stop it! You’re killing me!


17 posted on 05/06/2008 1:51:54 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
C'mon, let's get reeeel here. This guy has spent his entire adult life in universities, laboratories, research field trips to barren wastelands, reading books and writing the driest papers and books crammed with reams of boring data and findings.

Has he ever once been a guest on The View? Do you think MTV would ever invite this guy on a road trip party? Would Stephen Spielberg ask him to design a dinosaur? I just don't see what recommends him to talk about glaciers or ice sheets. What does he know about ice? He probably drinks his bourbon neet.

Hang it up, bro! Polar bears are drowning while this guy rides around the virgin tundra in a heated SUV drilling holes in the already overstressed ice caps.

18 posted on 05/06/2008 2:10:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: TigersEye
“Hang it up, bro! Polar bears are drowning while this guy rides around the virgin tundra in a heated SUV drilling holes in the already overstressed ice caps.”

Damn, you've changed my mind. I here now withdraw my support for all these articles that I've posted from all these loser eggheads who just aren't ready for prime-time. Ta heck with the alphabet soup after their names. I know now that if it isn't in that blockbuster movie “Inconvenient Truth” then it can't be...well...true. There IS nothing incongruous with Al Gore receiving the Nobel Peace prize. Nothing is wrong in the scientific community.

19 posted on 05/06/2008 2:43:50 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
Gee! I thought it would take at least one more post before I finished you off. ;^)

Now that that's settled, ... wanna buy a carbon credit, buddy? Special price just for you.

20 posted on 05/06/2008 2:55:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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