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I especially love this line...

"In reality, only America’s ill-informed but well indoctrinated are living under any illusion that any of these three candidates will make a decent President. Men like Jefferson, Madison, Washington and Lincoln, would scoff at all of them in disgust."

So true, yet so is this one...

"These three candidates are indeed representative of the people themselves. Politicians pander to the desires of the people, no matter how ill-conceived those desires might be.

If votes were not for sale, politicians wouldn’t be able to buy them at any price. As it is, they are for sale and all a politician needs to do is buy them with gifts from the treasury that will land this nation in bankruptcy, bondage and certain ruin.

This election is the tipping point. The last several elections have been decided by 1% of the voting population or so. On one side are those who demand more gifts from the treasury and on the other side are those trying to stem the tide to irrevocable socialism.

Read my column from October ‘06 titled "When 51-49 becomes 49-51..."

This election will likely mark the shift from 232 years of 51% or more preferring freedom over free stuff to 51% or more preferring free stuff over freedom...

From there on, the end is near. Politicians are a creation of the people. Not the other way around."

1 posted on 05/03/2008 1:40:31 PM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

The race boils down to two Marxists and a socialist.


2 posted on 05/03/2008 1:43:51 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

3 posted on 05/03/2008 1:51:11 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
The men you mentioned would get pummelled by today's political consultants and media men
4 posted on 05/03/2008 2:02:08 PM PDT by OeOeO (Sic Transit Gloria Mundi... Gloria get me a beer,and hurry..)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

There are several things to consider about democracy, past and present, that helps to put things in perspective.

1) Think of the average American. Average in most ways with income, education, intelligence, taste, etc. While not awful, remember that by definition, 50% of Americans are below average. They vote, and they deserve a candidate that represents them as much as candidates who represent the 50% of Americans who are above average.

2) Americans used to vote based on who bought them a glass of beer or a shot of whiskey. Or at least who they liked who did that.

3) When Americans like how things are going, they vote for more of the same. When they don’t like how things are going, they vote for change. Yet things are still pretty much the same, and things still change. This actually makes sense.

4) One thing Americans don’t do is spend time training candidates who will run for office years from now. Instead, they insist that candidates rise up by natural selection. Imagine how different our nation would be if all Democrat candidates had to actually learn economics, foreign policy, military policy, and history, instead of just pretending they understand them.

Conversely, imagine how different our nation would be if conservative candidates were trained to actually be conservatives, instead of everybody just hoping that someday they might spontaneously become conservative.


5 posted on 05/03/2008 2:05:36 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: PlainOleAmerican
most Americans would love to pull the lever for none-of-the-above!

And many of us will do exactly that.
8 posted on 05/03/2008 2:21:45 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Lincoln doesn’t deserve to be in the category, IMO.


9 posted on 05/03/2008 2:34:55 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

“Meet the Anti-Candidates: Nobody’s FOR Them!”

Oh I’ve seen one or two liberals around here that wet their knickers in glee over a President McCain.


10 posted on 05/03/2008 2:37:17 PM PDT by Grunthor ( there's more than 100 billion barrels of untouched oil and gas in this country)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
I'm for NOTA - if it was on the ballot. I don't think any of those three clowns are minimally qualified to be President.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

11 posted on 05/03/2008 3:13:45 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
BUT George W Bush had the bully pulpit for EIGHT years, and absolutely failed, or REFUSED, to clarify what conservatism is. That is - personal responsibility for your own life, and insistence on it from others, ergo FREEDOM. Which of course results in all the wondrous flowering of creativity, industry, prosperity, self worth, spirit, independence, courage, etc. a free and self reliant society nurtures.

SO, it is not strictly true that "politicians" are simply a reflection of the people when those who are granted voice, REFUSE, or are UNABLE, to elucidate what was the reason for being of the United States of America in the first place.

It is VERY naive to think that our elections, and the major windows to the world, i.e. the media, are not manipulated for certain secretive agenda's.

e.g. The Council on Foreign Relations, and the illegal Mexican Invasion.

Your 51-49/49-51, that 1%, IS because of George Bush, who had the bully pulpit.

Incidentally by August, Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic Nominee, and will be supported, in an unctuous way by 50% (or close to it) of the comments or threads on this "conservative" website.

13 posted on 05/03/2008 4:14:46 PM PDT by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: Cacique

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16 posted on 05/03/2008 8:19:59 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: PlainOleAmerican

“In reality, only America’s ill-informed but well indoctrinated are living under any illusion that any of these three candidates will make a decent President. Men like Jefferson, Madison, Washington and Lincoln, would scoff at all of them in disgust.”
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Far too large a percentage of today’s electorate would scoff at Madison, Washington and Lincoln as they scoff at the only remaining politicians who support the Constitution. The quickest way to be branded an idiot now is to espouse the principles on which the nation was created.


17 posted on 05/04/2008 7:05:44 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
The GOP has moved far enough to the left over the years that they and the Rats are ideologically one party. A vote for McCain is just a slower march towards socialism.
26 posted on 05/04/2008 4:57:10 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
How could any Catholic vote for a man who would not even vote for the Born Alive Act.

Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.

BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother’s right to “choose” stopped at her baby’s delivery.

The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.

But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.

I testified in 2001 and 2002 before a committee of which Obama was a member.

Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women’s rights or abortionists’ rights. Obama’s clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed.

In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die much like babies were still being shelved to die in Illinois hospitals and abortion clinics.

(As chair of that same committee, Obama once abruptly ended a hearing early, right before Scott and Janet Willis, the parents of six children killed as a result of Illinois’ drivers licenses for bribes scandal, were to testify in favor of Choose Life license plate legislation. I was there for that one, too. The Willises had traveled three hours. Reporters filled the room. Obama stalled. He later killed the bill when no one was around.)

30 posted on 05/04/2008 5:30:41 PM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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