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Tall Tales About Tuskegee
Townhall.com ^ | May 2, 2008 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 05/02/2008 4:44:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 05/02/2008 4:44:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male
2 posted on 05/02/2008 4:48:39 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Kaslin
Indeed, it’s worth noting that the Tuskegee study, launched under the New Deal, was symptomatic of arrogant liberal government.

The New Deal didn't start until March, 1933. Otherwise, I agree with this article 100%.
3 posted on 05/02/2008 4:50:40 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (There's more proof that Operation Chaos is working than there is proof that Global Warming is real.)
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“But why blacks remain the most reliable voters for the party of ever-expanding government power is something of a mystery. Indeed, it’s worth noting that the Tuskegee study, launched under the New Deal, was symptomatic of arrogant liberal government. The study “emerged out of a liberal progressive public health movement concerned about the health and well-being of the African-American population,” writes University of Chicago professor Richard Schweder. He adds: “The study was done with the full knowledge, endorsement and participation of African-American medical professionals, hospitals and research institutes.”

Say no more...!


4 posted on 05/02/2008 4:54:19 AM PDT by SMARTY ('At some point you get tired of swatting flies, and you have to go for the manure heap' Gen. LeMay)
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When it comes to callous disregard for people — and, disproportionately, black people — one need look no further than legalized abortion. That’s a travesty. But some folks approve of it whole heartedly, while believing myths about Tuskegee and calling it an abomination.


5 posted on 05/02/2008 4:57:11 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Kaslin

Thank you for this article. It is yet another example of what we could NEVER read in the ratmedia. They are more comfortable with lies. The truth hurts their eyes.


6 posted on 05/02/2008 4:59:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

Hoover was a Progressive.


7 posted on 05/02/2008 5:00:07 AM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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Hoover was a Progressive.

Right. But he wasn't a New Dealer.
8 posted on 05/02/2008 5:03:44 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (There's more proof that Operation Chaos is working than there is proof that Global Warming is real.)
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paranoid view that the U.S. government created AIDS to murder African-Americans

Wait, I thought that was crack.

AIDS was created to murder homosexuals.

9 posted on 05/02/2008 5:06:01 AM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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If I believed that the *government*, or anyone with power, had targeted senior white rural females with a horrendous disease and a destructive drug, both only a risk if the targets indulged in certain behaviors, then I and everyone I know who fit the target description, would AVOID those behaviors in self defense.

So, those who believe this have a way to resist. Why haven’t they?


10 posted on 05/02/2008 5:20:35 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Capitalism is what happens when governments get out of the way.)
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To: Kaslin

I agreed with Wright that Tuskegee was reprehensible, but aside from that, the man has worms in his brain.


11 posted on 05/02/2008 5:22:51 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: reformedliberal
I always make the same point. Okay, for sake of argument, let's just say that "whitey" created AIDS. Nobody is being forced to go out and catch it!

Same goes for crack. I don't see anyone forcing people to sell or smoke it.

If I believed that someone had created something to destroy me if I used it, I darn sure wouldn't play into the plan.

12 posted on 05/02/2008 5:28:03 AM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: theDentist; Kaslin

Tuskegee was very bad, but it was not a plot against blacks, even against the particular blacks involved.

One of the rarely discussed dirty secrets of the medical establishment has been the tendency to use groups of poor people as guinea pigs. Treatments have been tested on patients in mental hospitals, prisons, and or simply poor communities of any color where people might not have the knowledge or ability to resist. One of the reasons that there are now so many safeguards connected with any test program or study is because of the gross abuses of the past.

Not, of course, that this necessarily prevents current abuses: I knew someone who was treated at the clinic of a major teaching hospital for a relatively minor thing that could have been dealt with in one office visit. Because the doctor was performing a study, however, the condition was not treated immediately; the patient was forced to come for visit after visit for unnecessary, painful “treatments” that accomplished nothing, all so that the doctor could perform his study. (Finally a nurse intervened and insisted that the patient receive the regular treatment.)

This was apparently a common practice, and the doctors simply regarded the poor and often non-English speaking patients of this clinic as a set of large guinea pigs provided for their use.

This has a lot more to do with the medical establishment than with the US government, but of course that will never be mentioned.


13 posted on 05/02/2008 5:38:50 AM PDT by livius
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One of the rarely discussed dirty secrets of the medical establishment has been the tendency to use groups of poor people as guinea pigs

The proof of this statement is to simply observe the surroundings of most major research/teaching hospitals. In the case of Johns Hopkins, the surrounding neighborhood is so bad that women are actively discouraged from walking alone at night. The population is predominately black, and the trauma center (for treating gunshot victims for example) has a world-class rating. The only anti-thesis I can think of is Georgetown, which exists in a very nice neighborhood.

14 posted on 05/02/2008 6:02:15 AM PDT by GunnyB (Once a Marine, Always a Marine)
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I agreed with Wright that Tuskegee was reprehensible...

How so? No man was forced to enter, or remain, in this program. They had already been infected for quite some time ("they were tertiary-stage syphilitics ") so the clearly weren't deliberately infected by the researchers. This particular project* used black men exclusively b/c of the disproportion of the disease in this group.

*Was this type of study never feature on non-blacks? Was Tuskegee the only one ever to exclusively use black? If not, why have we not heard of the others? If so, why no cries of racism, why no outrage that more tests/studies weren't done?

15 posted on 05/02/2008 6:08:12 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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Perhaps I’m wrong, but as I recall, they were not informed they had syphilis in the first place. If you don’t know you have an illness, if you don’t know you’re part of such a program, how can you know that you’d like to be “out” of it and properly treated?


16 posted on 05/02/2008 6:11:31 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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Never mind, I just re-read it and I am wrong. Mea culpa.


17 posted on 05/02/2008 6:12:23 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: GunnyB

LA-County Hospital is like that. They send medical people from all over the country to study there, because they deal with every trauma imaginable. On the other hand, people living in those infested places have medical care available.


18 posted on 05/02/2008 6:12:40 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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OTOH, "those" people have little to lose, and everything, well, something, to gain.

Are researchers "negotiating" from a position of power? Sure.

Remember the HIV/AIDS types screaming to be put into trials for whatever treatment was proposed? It's not just the poor.

19 posted on 05/02/2008 6:32:11 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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Even if one assumes that the U.S. government had the motive for creating and disseminating the HIV virus, does anyone think they had the capacity?

Back in the late 70’s early 80’s when this thing got its start we knew next to nothing about retrovirus and little about helper T cells; and to this day nobody could design ‘de novo’ a viral protein that would enable it to enter a particular cell type.

This thing came from Simian Immune Virus (S.I.V.) and mutated as it evolved to better infect its new host.

20 posted on 05/02/2008 6:49:27 AM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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