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A Blood Libel on Our Civilization. Can I expell Expelled?
National Review Online ^ | April 28, 2008 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 04/28/2008 12:01:40 PM PDT by Delacon

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To: Delacon

Hasn’t seen the movie, repeats lies, and can’t understand. Go figure!


181 posted on 04/28/2008 4:45:57 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: The Woim
As for the fossil records, good luck finding that missing link...

That is such a tired argument.

Everytime another transistional fossil is found, we hear, "Yeah, well where is the one after that?"

Just admit it. No amount of evidence can possibly ever convince you. At least that would be honest.

182 posted on 04/28/2008 4:50:09 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: tpanther
but Hitler DID utilize Darwin to his own ends

Are you saying Darwin was wrong for postulating about a science that is now know as genetics?

Do you blame the Wright Brothers for 9/11?

183 posted on 04/28/2008 4:52:39 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: tpanther

TP you are the one who started the Hitler analogies. My only point was that those who shout that Derbyshire has no credibility on the science versus ID agrument because he hasn’t seen the movie, are full of hooey.


184 posted on 04/28/2008 4:57:08 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Soliton; The Woim

It never ceases to amaze me...how liberals are so arrogant that they believe the 90%+ of us that don’t hate God should have to pay for private schools, while the too easily offended Godless 10% get a free pass, and dictate that ALL children (except those lucky enough to be able to afford private schools, hypocrat Bill Clinton comes to mind) be taught to fear publically expressing their faith or belief in Him, NOT from peers but the liberal NEA types.

It SHOULD be that the Michael Newdow’s of the world be forced to pay for out of pocket expenses, NOT hijacking the govt. to BAN God or whatever else next will offend them.

I hope sooner than later that day will come, it’s OBVIOUS there’s something seriously wrong with the way liberals run things!

THANKFULLY Christians are starting to get REALLY tired of the Godless liberal insanity of separation of church and state and other lunacies...as well as the unfounded fear-mongering of an auto-theocracy and proselytizing if some child DARE publically profess Christ as his or her savior; BEFORE it’s too late!

ThomasMore.org

ACLJ.org

Liberals believe:

all religion is the problem with the world.

Cops and bad guys are exactly the same...corrupt and like guns/violence.

The military is the same in all countries. They carry guns, like violence and like to kill innocent people.

No one should be rich, all people should have the same, regardless of intellect, ability, etc.

Trees and animals are more important than people.

The U.S. is the last superpwoer and therefore the source of evil in the world.

Christians are bitter people that cling to God and guns.

To BE a Christian one must attend church.


185 posted on 04/28/2008 5:00:51 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Soliton

Do your parents love you?


186 posted on 04/28/2008 5:01:56 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Science, and even evolution, are not conservative/liberal things.

It has nothing to do with politics as long as its science. Gravity has nothing to do with liberals or conservatives, but it’s only a scientific theory, too.

Creationists are not radical islamics, although I don’t think that was really what they were called on this thread. I don’t see why there can’t be a respectiful disagreement.

People should be free to believe the earth is 6,000 years old, Noah’s Flood was worldwide and only 4,000 years ago, and dinosaurs are just something we don’t want to talk about.

Fine.

There is no need for religion and science to agree. The very rules of science prohibit it from getting into the religious realm. It passes no judgment on religion at all.

Religion observes no such restrictions, and it’s been proven incorrect on numerous counts and has retracted its positions.

This is way more of a religious/scientific debate than a conservative/liberal one. And there is no reason for it to be a religious debate. The facts are indeed the facts.


187 posted on 04/28/2008 5:05:00 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Soliton; Delacon
The existence of the universe depends on every atom doing exactly what it is supposed to do set by observable laws. But why?

There are no observable laws. There is observation of regular, predictable behavior. The summing up and description of these observations are called natural laws, but they control nothing; they direct nothing. Their accuracy in predicting future behavior depends on the accuracy with which they were initially formulated and the intelligence and depth of knowledge of the one using them to make the predictions as applied to circumstances perceived to be similar. The behavior depends entirely on the inherent nature of the observed phenomena not the description of it, though our description of it includes our own interaction with it.
188 posted on 04/28/2008 5:05:13 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dog Gone

Dog gone, remember “peltdown man”

Remember “Nebraska man”?

Remember “manmade global warming”? Oh wait, we’re still debunking that one.

Science soils itself when it steps out of its boundaries.

Lovers of science should jealously guard it from error.

Yours truly,
The Woim


189 posted on 04/28/2008 5:05:59 PM PDT by The Woim (Agitating for social change: Abolish the Dept of Education NOW!)
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To: curiosity

So what to do with scientists that try in vain to produce such “proof” in the future?

It’s forever decided, as far as academic liberals are concerned in this country...you already have the “PROOF” from the algoreacle crowd that this is indeed the tactic from the left when it comes to the hot air cult, do you not?


190 posted on 04/28/2008 5:07:27 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: aruanan

Okay. How does that advance the discussion?


191 posted on 04/28/2008 5:08:53 PM PDT by Soliton
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To: The Woim
born an Anglican (a really hollow form of Christianity)

Hey now! There are some problems with the Anglican church, but I think its a little rough to call it a hollow form of Christianity. We are the third largest denomination of Christians in the world (behind Catholics and Orthodox). The church is Africa esp. is very strong and thriving. This, and the fact that we are the national church of England and the closest that America has had to a national church (being the church of many of the founding fathers, and also of the national cathedral), has made us a big target for groups such as the gay rights crowd.

We have plenty of "hollow Christians" maybe, but there are also many of us with a very strong faith, and we have a rich and vibrant history. Anglicans have made many important contributions to the Faith (e.g., the writings of C.S. Lewis).

Other than that I agree with you!

thanks,
paridel
192 posted on 04/28/2008 5:09:03 PM PDT by Paridel
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
It will likely end in the $8 million area, so yeah, I think the producers will make some money

I agree with your estimate on eventual box office, but that's not going to give anyone a profit.

Exhibitors get $2.4 million of that, but they only made #1100/screen in the first week and they are not going to make up the diff to their costs on popcorn sales.

Distributor get $1.6 mill, which won';t pay for the theater prints.

Of the producers $$ mill, they admit to $3.5 production costs, add advertising, and they are comping people like crazy to go see the film.

Bottom line, before opening the producers said an opening Box Office of $12-15M would be a success - they got less than 3.

193 posted on 04/28/2008 5:09:29 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Holy State or Holy King - Or Holy People's Will - Have no truck with the senseless thing.)
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To: Paridel

Paridel, I regretted typing that snarky remark as soon as my industrious fingers moved to the next keys - I owe you an apology and, actually, the whole worldwide Anglican community!

Yours truly,
The Woim


194 posted on 04/28/2008 5:11:41 PM PDT by The Woim (Agitating for social change: Abolish the Dept of Education NOW!)
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To: The Woim

Science seems to be able to correct mistakes or detect fraud.

In fact, it’s quite good at that. None of those hoaxes were debunked by a pastor, were they?


195 posted on 04/28/2008 5:12:15 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: tpanther

It bothers me no end that religious conservatives(not to be confused with conservatives that are religious) seem to think that they control the conservative movement and the republican party. You all screwed us with the Huck. Thanks alot. As a group we had to settle for McCain.


196 posted on 04/28/2008 5:13:25 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Dog Gone

I’m going to see the movie, but I’ve already experienced the tactics from the left first hand, with the Georgia ACLU sneaking a letter into the school board here over the summer that if they don’t remove the word “Christmas” from the school’s calendar, they’d be sued.

NO parental input, only the state knows best. OR the lawyers, or the atheists, etc.

It’s the exact same premise...there’s simply to be no debate...not on the hot air cult or bitter God and gun clinging Christians having a voice in science.

Poor tactics or not addressing all their tricks at once is but a distraction, IMO.

While I’m sure there are kooks who want evolution banned, and not the exchange of ideas of both theories, I think the numbers on the left that want ID banned, NOT based on ANYTHING remotely scientific but unfounded fears about proselytizing or some super-theocracy, is just too overwhelming!


197 posted on 04/28/2008 5:16:06 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Dog Gone

He wasn’t blaming Darwin for Nazism, he was blaming Nazis for believing in Darwinism. Marx isn’t accountable for Lenin’s bloodbath, but Lenin is still a fool for believing in Marx. Same sort of thing.


198 posted on 04/28/2008 5:18:46 PM PDT by fijiaaron
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To: The Woim
Also, There’s no chance whatsoever that Darwin saw an “evolution” of a species after on a few years - I’m talking about the birds on the island (I forgot the name of the island). Biological evolution doesn’t happen over the course of 36-48 months.

Of course not. The HMS Beagle only spent 5 week in the area. Neither Darwin nor anybody else claimed he observed evolution!

The Galápagos Islands consist of 22 main islands spread over 28,000 square miles.
Charles Darwin found roughly 13 different types of finch populating it, and he went about collecting the new (to him) specimens for later classification. But after his return to England, ornithologist John Gould told him that the finches were not, as Darwin had supposed, members of several widely different families, but all belonged to one family now known as the Geospizinae.

That's when it clicked that the birds became isolated on their individual islands and had adapted to their local environment.
It is the classic example of "Adaptive Radiation", a process of evolution in which variations of a single species fill different niches and eventually become new species.

199 posted on 04/28/2008 5:20:14 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Delacon

So he continues to wallow in his own ignorance.

Too bad for him.

His freedoms he now has to spew such ignorance has soooooo very little to do with the advancements of science, or some idea of scientific method; and the only way science is ultimately trashed is by allowing a fearful hate God group define for all what science is or isn’t in this country.

That’s so UN-American as to make one’s head spin!

And to be so arrogant as to say Americans (or westerners) are solely responsible for creating the so-called scientific method....oooops....we’re not ALLOWED to say creation in his world...which no one here can define by concensus anyway...

only further shows how little he knows of science!


200 posted on 04/28/2008 5:23:47 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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