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Why Obama Can't Close the Deal
Yahoo.com ^ | Ron Fournier

Posted on 04/23/2008 4:13:53 AM PDT by Jess Kitting

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To: TomGuy
"It is a message to McCain that 27% of his own party are against him and would vote for anyone except ..."

... a Democrat.

40-60% of the Democrat party are against Hillary or Obama. When the choices are more clear in November, I'll wager that McCain gets a larger portion of his 27% back than Hillary or Obama will salvage from their lost votes.

41 posted on 04/23/2008 5:45:48 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Non-Sequitur

Hey- you’ve been reading my tagline!


42 posted on 04/23/2008 5:46:30 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...)
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To: Hatteras
40-60% of the Democrat party are against Hillary or Obama.

Don't bet the farm on that.

They flocked around Kerry and he had no substance or personality.

The candidate that emerges from the Dem Convention will get most of the Dem vote.

They will do exactly what many Pubbies are whining that they are going to do: Hold their noses and vote for the Party nominee.
43 posted on 04/23/2008 5:50:45 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jess Kitting
I was hoping Obama could put Hillary away once and for all. Looks like we'll have to deal with her a little longer.

She's positioning herself perfectly for 2012--that's what this is about now. Barry is going to be a disaster as Candidate--HRC is making sure of that. Barring getting caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, McCain is going to win and is almost certainly a four year president. The R's have no decent candidates waiting in the wings.

She will run as the "responsible" I told you so candidate in the primaries against McCain's VP and probably win.

We only get to drive the stake thru the heart of Obama or HRC this election cycle, not both.

44 posted on 04/23/2008 5:53:29 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: anton

Nope-would have been a swing of 6 points... They represent 14% of the overall vote... He won 13-1, if she won 50%, it would have been 7-7... She would have won PA by 16.


45 posted on 04/23/2008 5:54:54 AM PDT by NYC Republican (John McCain- Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory...)
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To: Jess Kitting
Here's one opinion:

"...In recent days, Clinton has begun chiding Obama for his inability to close the deal with Democratic voters, a sinister ploy that damages him even worse for November than it does now.

The whole reason he's been unable to close the deal is because Hillary Clinton refused to get out of a race she can't win!

This has become a hostage situation.

Hillary Clinton is holding Barack Obama's nomination for ransom, and the question everybody is wondering is: For what?

Some speculate that she's determined to either stop Obama now or nick him up so badly that he cannot win in November.

Only then would the Democratic ticket be cleared for her to run again in 2012. Or, with last night's win, she just might have sneaked into a place on the Democratic ticket this year as vice president."

SHE'S AFTER A RANSOM, NOT VOTES
46 posted on 04/23/2008 5:58:30 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Jess Kitting
Its very funny. They all say that Obama is winning the popular vote. But he's not even close, let alone winning. They are giving him credit for the caucus wins at the same ratio as the actual votes. But a caucus is far from an actual vote. Look at Texas. Hillary wins the popular vote and looses the caucus. The reality is that she has won the popular vote hands down. He wins caucuses. Well the general election is not a caucus.

Obama has not won the popular vote. He will not win the general election. Besides that lack of ballots, he also has a huge problem with key states. He hasn't won any key states. If he can't when them within his own party he will have a hard time winning them in the general.

If Obama wins the nomination he absolutely needs her on the ticket to win, or he will lose big.

47 posted on 04/23/2008 5:59:20 AM PDT by poinq
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To: TomGuy
Voters will see that for what it is: Pandering of the most flagrant variety.

Agreed. And every black Republican lacks the stature for the VP job at this time. They are as underqualified as Obama himself is.

Unfortunately, the GOP lacks "bench strength" in general - and guys like Mark Sanford who appeal to the base won't add anything to McCain's overall appeal in November.

48 posted on 04/23/2008 6:02:10 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Miss Didi

Gee, whatever happened to the dems all refusing to go on FOX? LOL Just shows you the lengths the Clintons will go to when they smell victory.


49 posted on 04/23/2008 6:03:48 AM PDT by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney (Using Hillary to nip Obama's heels is like beating a dead horse with an armed nuclear bomb.)
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To: poinq
Its very funny. They all say that Obama is winning the popular vote. But he's not even close, let alone winning. They are giving him credit for the caucus wins at the same ratio as the actual votes. But a caucus is far from an actual vote.

I think he wins the caucuses because that is a publicly visible vote and nobody wants to look "racist", so they select O'bama.
50 posted on 04/23/2008 6:11:12 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: CharlieL

51 posted on 04/23/2008 6:15:53 AM PDT by LibertyGrrrl (Not your daddy's conservative:-))
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To: Ilya Mourometz

“A black conservative would win in a landslide, as would a female conservative (other than Rice, who has too many people against her because of the war). I think it’s probably too cute for McCain to pick a conservative veep this time, but perhaps he might bring Steele into a more political position on the cabinet”

If that’s the case, why didn’t Mr. Steele win his own state (which is considerably “black”) in the last election cycle?

How does that loss make him _more_ electable in _other_ races?

- John


52 posted on 04/23/2008 6:23:24 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Well there are several issues with the caucus. Firstly the reason the Dems like the caucus is that its cheaper to put on. A state can more easily and cheaply put on a caucus with their own rules. If the state has an election then there are election laws that apply.

But a caucus favors younger people, louder people. People who can stay up. People who can argue. Elderly women will either give in or not go. But they still vote.

Another problem with the caucus is the ratio. The winner gets credit for votes he/she would not normally get. Sometimes its a percentage of the population. So the winner of a caucus gets credit for voters who would never come out to vote let alone caucus.

Its very funny. They all say that Obama is winning the popular vote. But he's not even close, let alone winning. They are giving him credit for the caucus wins at the same ratio as the actual votes. But a caucus is far from an actual vote. Look at Texas. Hillary wins the popular vote and looses the caucus. The reality is that she has won the popular vote hands down. He wins caucuses. Well the general election is not a caucus.
Obama has not won the popular vote. He will not win the general election. Besides that lack of ballots, he also has a huge problem with key states. He hasn't won any key states. If he can't when them within his own party he will have a hard time winning them in the general.

If Obama wins the nomination he absolutely needs her on the ticket to win, or he will lose big.

53 posted on 04/23/2008 6:29:15 AM PDT by poinq
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To: TomGuy
"Don't bet the farm on that."

But you'll bet the farm on McCain's lost 27% staying away in the general election? I don't see the reasoning.

54 posted on 04/23/2008 6:31:15 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: MuttTheHoople
"Operation Chaos" could backfire.

I think Obama is on his way down. As people learn more about him, the less they trust him. Some of the Dems could abandon him before June, even the so-called "pledged delegates." And who will they turn to? Hillary, of course.

Why tempt fate? Hillary hasn't lost the nomination yet, and who knows what tricks she still has up her sleeve. In my opinion, she will be a much greater threat in the Fall.

Let Obama take care of Hillary once and for all. We can deal with him later.

55 posted on 04/23/2008 6:31:30 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney

Mrs. Clinton made her third (yes, third) appearance on Fox this morning to chat and cackle with the Friends. She concluded by urging Fox viewers to visit her website to join the excitement...sure, Hill, we all ran to our computers. (rolling eyes)


56 posted on 04/23/2008 6:37:44 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: NavVet

“Obama’s mentor in Hawaii was a hard core Marxist and enjoyed spending time with young boys.”

Really? I had missed that. Got a link?


57 posted on 04/23/2008 6:41:54 AM PDT by Mercat (I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven;)
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To: Jess Kitting


WEARY WARRIORS OFF TO INDY & NC
58 posted on 04/23/2008 7:34:09 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Ilya Mourometz

McCain’s military background has been the chip that he’s been able to cash in again and again. I’m not sure what would make McCain a stronger candidate than Bush 43, maybe it is the fact that McCain opposes tax cuts for those rich “fat cats” or the fact that he is on the record supporting Roe v. Wade and Amnesty for illegals. Fortunately, for McCain, he actually looks somewhat conservative when compaired to the radicals fighting for the Dem nomination.

If the Dems had the good sense to modify somebody anywhere close to the mainstream, McCain would be toast. There is a reason McCain can’t raise enough money to buy a happy meal, however, when it comes to putting a racist, or marxist in the whitehouse, McCain will benefit from the lessor of two evils vote.


59 posted on 04/23/2008 7:37:18 AM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: randita

Actually those “ working class white “ are not so racist as you believe
It’s only that they understand how much the blacks are racist


60 posted on 04/23/2008 7:37:58 AM PDT by 1903A3
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