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1 posted on 04/22/2008 8:09:56 AM PDT by kelsiejackson
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What a tool. Prof. Ramos apparently thinks Americans should come to terms with the fact that they stole the land from Mexico. He says he "never got the memo about the Reconquista", but he understands very well what is going on. While maintaining that he does not understand the outrage over the ad, he says "There is a public memory within the Mexican-origin community about the period before 1848. That memory is of a fundamental connection to this land despite being made to feel like outsiders or visitors."

In other words, he denies the whole Reconquista thing, while giving reasons why it is not such a bad idea.

2 posted on 04/22/2008 8:17:55 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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Like the Mexicans ever really controlled the southwest. Mexicans were afraid to go into Comanche territory. They never held that territory, and now it’s burned into their memory that they lost it? Please.


3 posted on 04/22/2008 8:26:21 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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Mexico's foreign policy is still defined against American intervention.

So Mexico did not want our help in 1865-66 when we massed 50,000 troops in Texas to help Benito Juarez in his struggle to throw out the French imposed dictator?

4 posted on 04/22/2008 8:27:40 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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...Recent politics also remind Mexican-origin people of a time when traversing this territory didn't mean harassment or having to prove you belong.

"...a time when traversing this territory didn't mean harassment..."

Apparently this "Professor of History" has never heard of the Apaches, the Utes and the Comanches, none of which, as I recall, were particularly known for tolerance of interlopers.

7 posted on 04/22/2008 8:31:50 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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What an empty-headed, clueless, twit...


12 posted on 04/22/2008 8:40:12 AM PDT by danneskjold
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We started by taking our country from England. Took part from France. Another part from Russia. Some from Mexico. The Mexicans in Mexico and those in the US who pose as citizens are just sore losers. For a country that has never accomplished anything they certainly whine a lot. I’m including those who, like the professor, can’t support this country.


14 posted on 04/22/2008 8:41:11 AM PDT by FreePaul
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In Absolut’s obtuse world, the Southwest would be a squalid area, languishing in abject poverty, and doomed under a dysfunctional system of drug lords and corrupt government. Thank goodness the Army of the West liberated this land and its people from incompetent tyranny. America is a great country for having liberated the Southwest. Look how people from the unliberated lands are trying to get here.


15 posted on 04/22/2008 8:43:16 AM PDT by pallis
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Another superb example of why universities can save countless dollars by simply eliminating those departments staffed by fools. Why do we give clowns such as this money? Tenure? I’m serious here. They are not bright and I really really resent the fact that these types carry around the same academic and professorial rank as I and others who have actually encountered intellectual rigor during our professional lives. News for the history marshmallow: we won, get over it. Pretty soon, we’re going to have to do it again. Get over it.


16 posted on 04/22/2008 8:43:41 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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***Fact Bastardization Alert***


19 posted on 04/22/2008 8:49:11 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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“You old white people. It is your duty to die.”
HISPANIC LEADERS SPEAK OUT!

Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; “Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die . . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over.

Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. “They’re afraid we’re going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They’re right. We will take them over . . . We are here to stay.”

Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico, “The American southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.”

Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas; “We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population . . . I love it. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it.”

Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party, “Remember 187 — proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens — was the last gasp of white America in California.”

Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor, “We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country ... I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, “I’m going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back.”

Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton, “California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn’t like it should leave.”

Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General , “We are practicing ‘La Reconquista’ in California.”

Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University; “We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos ...”

Are these just the words of a few extremists? Consider that we could fill up many pages with such quotes. Also, consider that these are mainstream Mexican leaders.

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20 posted on 04/22/2008 8:49:45 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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ABSOLUT Manifest Destiny. In a perfect world.

22 posted on 04/22/2008 8:51:41 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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What cracks up up about the “we were here first” argument is that it conveniently glosses over many details that would be rather awkward for someone like Mr. Ramos. Let’s start with the what a “Mexican” is.

The popular notion of the average Mexican is one of the mestizo, or a mixture of Spanish and local native stock. By definition then, a “conquista” had to take place to create the modern nation of Mexico. Europeans took over the area that is Mexico, and have run it ever since. Family names such as Sanchez can be traced all the way back to the Visigoths, an old Germanic tribe. Hardly La Raza, wouldn’t you agree?

Let me add that the Aztecs, or perhaps more accurately the Mexicas, rulers of the dominant nation of the area when Cortez landed in 1519, were themselves transplanted from “Aztlán” to the north, perhaps from as far as present day Southwestern United States.

When one adds to this the fact that it was the Spanish, not the Mexicans, who established colonies in the areas of Texas, California, Arizona, etc, and that they did so by overrunning other native peoples, such as the Tongva and Acjachemen where I live, one must begin to question anyone from Mexico who claims a “right” to “Aztlán.”

The bottom line is that what is done is done. No one has a right to territory or property based on an ethnic identity. As my brother has said, if you want to cry about lost territory, “go tell the Cartaginians.”


23 posted on 04/22/2008 8:51:59 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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1848 my ass, Raul Ramos, you ignorant d—kweed. Let’s talk about another infamous date, 1825. That’s the first time Mexico became the official nation of record in the territories to become part of the Western United States.

Up until that time 1825, Spain was the nation of record in those territories. Anotherwords, Mexico only had true claim to those lands for 23 years.

Those who talk of reconquista today do it based on the theory that those lands were a part of Mexico or the supposed indiginous indians of the Mexican territories for thousands of years. That is not so.

The Indians that lived in the territories were autonomous from Mexico, had no connection to it whatsoever, and in fact were the true people who Mexico was dislocating, subsequent to Spain having done so prior to that.

Mexico spent 23 year userping the rights of the natural land owners after Spain, the local indians. That’s it’s claim to the western region territory it lost in the war with the United States.

This jackass acts as if Mexico was deprived of ancestral lands going back hundreds or even thousands of years. Bulls—t! That’s the damnable lie that betrays his ignorance on the subject, or worse yet his propaganda in the face of the truth.

This bastard should have his citizenship revoked, and his ass kicked about 250 miles south for good measure.


24 posted on 04/22/2008 8:57:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (It doesn't matter he isn't conservative. Now it doesn't matter if it's not Constitutional.)
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26 posted on 04/22/2008 9:00:32 AM PDT by weegee (Vote Obama 2008 for a bitter America.)
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The pendulum may eventually swing in the other direction. With the euro at an all time high against the dollar, the European Union serves as an alternative model of borders that might one day apply to NAFTA members.

In that case, the "Absolut world" map might not have any borders at all.

And there we have it, summarized neatly without ambiguity. The goals are no borders, a global government, and one currency.

The American model works, most of the rest of the world sucks in comparison, and, because crummy nations are unwilling to make the changes necessary for the rule of law and the expansion of capitalist principles, prosperous nations must be brought down to third-world status in order to reach "global equality".

28 posted on 04/22/2008 9:01:41 AM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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Another group that feels OWED!


32 posted on 04/22/2008 9:24:25 AM PDT by JZelle
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Mexico needs to thank god that the United States exists.
Without money, guns, troops and support from the United States in the 1800s, Mexicans would be speaking French.


34 posted on 04/22/2008 9:42:33 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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Oh, dear. An assistant professor of history, no less, who may just have a teeny bit of an agenda:

It also means that the border will continue to change.

Really? Such changes are seldom accomplished without a considerable fuss, as the professor cites with the usual tedious cant. Precisely why the descendants of Spanish conquerors have more of a claim to the land than the descendants of English/Dutch/French ones is not one he'd care to expand upon, lest the patina of moral righteousness be scraped off enough to reveal naked greed and aggression, which is all that really underlies the issue.

Nevertheless, if Mexican claims to that territory are to be recognized in any way there is nothing to prevent Austrian claims on Mexican territory to be similarly honored. In an Absolut world the Habsburgs would be sitting sipping tequila sunrises in their Mexico city palaces. If the professor is willing to ignore the intervening wars I'm perfectly willing to as well.

35 posted on 04/22/2008 9:54:08 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Mexican resentment about 1848 comes from the discrimination experienced in the years afterward

The only thing the Mexicans should resent is that the US didn't stay, They would today have shoes and houses and clean water and an IRA and wouldn't have to run thru desert to get half of that.

This is a conversation I overheard recently by employees in A Burger King;


37 posted on 04/22/2008 1:24:30 PM PDT by OeOeO (Sic Transit Gloria Mundi... Gloria get me a beer,and hurry..)
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Ping!


40 posted on 04/22/2008 10:13:22 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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