ABSOLUT Manifest Destiny. In a perfect world.
Posted on 04/22/2008 8:09:55 AM PDT by kelsiejackson
The Russian River in Sonoma County California was named for the....Russian settlers! They had a fort there (can still go visit). It failed.
At least the Russians have the self-esteem not to continue whining about losing California and Alaska.
I think you’ve nailed the Mexican failure to develop their resources because of their culture.
ABSOLUT Manifest Destiny. In a perfect world.
What cracks up up about the “we were here first” argument is that it conveniently glosses over many details that would be rather awkward for someone like Mr. Ramos. Let’s start with the what a “Mexican” is.
The popular notion of the average Mexican is one of the mestizo, or a mixture of Spanish and local native stock. By definition then, a “conquista” had to take place to create the modern nation of Mexico. Europeans took over the area that is Mexico, and have run it ever since. Family names such as Sanchez can be traced all the way back to the Visigoths, an old Germanic tribe. Hardly La Raza, wouldn’t you agree?
Let me add that the Aztecs, or perhaps more accurately the Mexicas, rulers of the dominant nation of the area when Cortez landed in 1519, were themselves transplanted from “Aztlán” to the north, perhaps from as far as present day Southwestern United States.
When one adds to this the fact that it was the Spanish, not the Mexicans, who established colonies in the areas of Texas, California, Arizona, etc, and that they did so by overrunning other native peoples, such as the Tongva and Acjachemen where I live, one must begin to question anyone from Mexico who claims a “right” to “Aztlán.”
The bottom line is that what is done is done. No one has a right to territory or property based on an ethnic identity. As my brother has said, if you want to cry about lost territory, “go tell the Cartaginians.”
1848 my ass, Raul Ramos, you ignorant d—kweed. Let’s talk about another infamous date, 1825. That’s the first time Mexico became the official nation of record in the territories to become part of the Western United States.
Up until that time 1825, Spain was the nation of record in those territories. Anotherwords, Mexico only had true claim to those lands for 23 years.
Those who talk of reconquista today do it based on the theory that those lands were a part of Mexico or the supposed indiginous indians of the Mexican territories for thousands of years. That is not so.
The Indians that lived in the territories were autonomous from Mexico, had no connection to it whatsoever, and in fact were the true people who Mexico was dislocating, subsequent to Spain having done so prior to that.
Mexico spent 23 year userping the rights of the natural land owners after Spain, the local indians. That’s it’s claim to the western region territory it lost in the war with the United States.
This jackass acts as if Mexico was deprived of ancestral lands going back hundreds or even thousands of years. Bulls—t! That’s the damnable lie that betrays his ignorance on the subject, or worse yet his propaganda in the face of the truth.
This bastard should have his citizenship revoked, and his ass kicked about 250 miles south for good measure.
Yes they did rarely tread on “their territory”, Comanche hated Mex!
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The Mexicans in Mexico and those in the US who pose as citizens are just sore losers. For a country that has never accomplished anything they certainly whine a lot. I’m including those who, like the professor, can’t support this country.”
They are as proud of their backwardness as they are certain of their superiority.
And there we have it, summarized neatly without ambiguity. The goals are no borders, a global government, and one currency.
The American model works, most of the rest of the world sucks in comparison, and, because crummy nations are unwilling to make the changes necessary for the rule of law and the expansion of capitalist principles, prosperous nations must be brought down to third-world status in order to reach "global equality".
He’s a bigot who supports the Mexican greivance over this long settled land dispute.
Flush his taxpayer funded job.
In an Absolut World ESPANA would still own that land.
I bet this “professor” never considered how much the land obtained in the Gadsden Purchase is worth today and if the Mexican gubmint has enough money to buy it back!
Another group that feels OWED!
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Mexico needs to thank god that the United States exists.
Without money, guns, troops and support from the United States in the 1800s, Mexicans would be speaking French.
It also means that the border will continue to change.
Really? Such changes are seldom accomplished without a considerable fuss, as the professor cites with the usual tedious cant. Precisely why the descendants of Spanish conquerors have more of a claim to the land than the descendants of English/Dutch/French ones is not one he'd care to expand upon, lest the patina of moral righteousness be scraped off enough to reveal naked greed and aggression, which is all that really underlies the issue.
Nevertheless, if Mexican claims to that territory are to be recognized in any way there is nothing to prevent Austrian claims on Mexican territory to be similarly honored. In an Absolut world the Habsburgs would be sitting sipping tequila sunrises in their Mexico city palaces. If the professor is willing to ignore the intervening wars I'm perfectly willing to as well.
The only thing the Mexicans should resent is that the US didn't stay, They would today have shoes and houses and clean water and an IRA and wouldn't have to run thru desert to get half of that.
This is a conversation I overheard recently by employees in A Burger King;
I buy a brand called Shustoff these days; a Ukrainian product made from wheat.
................waiting quietly.
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