Abe's first cousin Jacob Lincoln (1815-1889)
Jacob's father was Josiah, brother of President Lincoln's father, Thomas.
Posted on 04/21/2008 9:32:59 AM PDT by Between the Lines
It’s his body shape. It think it’s remarkably like Lincoln’s.
That was his stepmother. His father he never saw again and did not attend his funeral.
I have the book and read it thoroughly. I do believe Enloe was Abraham Lincoln’s father.
Stepmothers aren't family?
Lincoln's brother died when he was three.
His mother died when he was nine.
His sister died when he was 19.
The only family he really had after he left home was his father and his stepmother. He was not close with his father, but he did see him again. And he kept in touch with his stepmother and visited her often when she was widowed and lonely.
His father he never saw again
He visited his father in 1849.
But he didn't tell people that his father wasn't his real father. And his father was not retarded.
His father was not an educated man, but he was a successful farmer and a trustee of his Baptist congregation.
And you're an unbiased judge, given your screenname.
Again, how is it that Nancy Hanks married Thomas Lincoln in 1806, gave birth to a daughter in 1807 and then claimed to have given birth to an already 5 year old son in 1809?
Let's see what we have going for the Ensloe theory.
(1) Ensloe's name was Abraham. However, Thomas Lincoln's father was named Abraham.
(2) Local legends say that Nancy Hanks lived with the Ensloe family in Rutherford County, NC.
There are no surviving records of any kind to link Nancy Hanks with this locale. At all.
In fact the same family reminscences that say Nancy lived with her relatives the Berrys in Charlotte County, VA and moved with them to KY during these years also contains the accurate information - corrobated by church records - about where she was baptized.
And that's all the evidence there is.
BTW - the whole call for DNA testing of Lincoln's remains is bogus.
The chance of recovering a usable DNA sample from Lincoln himself is approximately zero.
His last surviving son died 82 years ago and had no sons of his own, eliminating his Y-chromosome from the gene pool. And Thomas Lincoln's as well - after all, Lincoln's only brother died in infancy.
Chances of Robert Todd Lincoln's DNA surviving intact are also unlikely.
Do we even know if there are Ensloe direct-line males to test against?
Essentially, this is substanceless propaganda meant to cast aspersions on Lincoln's ancestry.
Jacob's father was Josiah, brother of President Lincoln's father, Thomas.
That same GGG Grandfather owned the land where Abe Lincoln's mother, and his sister Sarah were buried. That same family also owned Green River Island at Evansville. They were surrounded by a plethora of Scanderhoovians from York Pennsylvania (Sa'ami central) ~
Then there's Dwight David Eisenhower ~ when he was a student at West Point he looked remarkably like my father who later flew as flying crewchief for General LeMay ~ who hated Ike. Guess he liked to order around someone who looked like Ike.
So, what to make of this ~ well, there was a 5 times Great Grandfather who used to work moving folks West at the very time the Eisenhower family waas moving West. But, more importantly, there are nearly as many "Hanks" surnamed folks from Scandinavia as there are from the United Kingdom, and a gazillion of them from the North German plain (much of which was controlled by the King of Sweden or the King of Denmark for centuries) who spell the name "Hengst".
I think it is highly presumptuous of the Virginians and North Carolinians to claim that Nancy Hanks ever really lived in an English speaking community. In fact, Abe himself says he had great difficulty communicating with her.
I'm taking the Scanderhoovian option ~ which Carl Sandburg was too modest to do ~ although he undoubtedly knew the truth!
David Herbert Donald relates that Lincoln visited his father when he was ill in 1849, two years before his death.
And how does Lincoln's older sister factor into the mix? Who's her daddy, so to speak?
Now, something folks usually ignore ~ Abe Lincoln's parents had been members of what is usually called "the Primitive Baptist Church". In the old days it was pretty much the same thing as the Christian church (Disciples of Christ) and not like the Christian church (Independent) that grew up out of the Stone movement although some writers try to link it to Stone as well.
Basically most of these congregations were Baptists who met on Saturday but adhered to the order of worship for the Presbyterians as modified by Alexander Campbell and his ministers.
Lots of their graveyards have no headstones. There are no lists or maps telling you where people are. You have one of these guys in your lineage you are out of luck using normal research methods. Abe most likely knew there'd be no gravesite he could visit. No doubt the gravesite has been marked in later years by someone interested in doing that sort of thing.
Unmarked graves were a common American practice by the "cutting edge" folks back in the firt half of the 19th century. This practice lingered in places. Some of my cousins who live up in Alaska get upset when they come down to do pilgrimmages to the ancestors' graves in Brown County and discover there are no headstones. Last I heard they're raising a fund to mark those graves.
Whatever you read about what Abe Lincoln might have thought about his father must be taken with an enormous grain of salt. He didn't tell anyone, and most the stuff in the standard histories is sheer supposition by alleged historians.
There were also SEVERAL Nancy Hanks in the Piedmont. It’s not like this was a rare, one of a kind name. Now, how many Nancy Hengst were there?
You know, I really don’t care who Lincoln’s father was. I just think it was most likely Enloe. I’m not a judge and my screen name has nothing to do with Abraham Lincoln’s paternal ancestors. He was a misguided politician, like so many others then and now.
But he isn't the most likely father - the preponderance of the evidence is against him, mostly because there isn't any evidence at all in his favor. Whatsoever.
He was a misguided politician, like so many others then and now.
So you're saying that Lincoln's decision to enforce the Constitution was "misguided."
Fascinating.
Ironic coming from one who has a screen name of the wife of one of the most misguided politicians of all time. Boss Davis was the leader of a criminally stupid rebellion, an incompetent tyrant who presumed to be a champion of constitutional government who in practice could not respect even his confederate constitution.
I thought the document exists.
Oh, the Mecklenburg Declaration of Independence "exists," all right:
Problem is, this fine-looking document was "recreated from memory" c. 1819. Said memory was probably enhanced by corn squeezin's.
And you are sadly misinformed and under educated. It was the CSA that reinforced the Constitution, the advice of Thomas Jefferson and many other early patriots.
Lincoln was at the mercy of usual suspects, the railroad and banking magnates and their desire for encompassing power over the existing and future states.
And, I STILL really don’t care who fathered Abraham Lincoln.
And you are sadly misinformed and under educated. It was the CSA that reinforced the Constitution, the advice of Thomas Jefferson and many other early patriots.
Lincoln was at the mercy of usual suspects, the railroad and banking magnates and their desire for encompassing power over the existing and future states.
And, I STILL really don’t care who fathered Abraham Lincoln.
You are far from being in a position to opine on anyone's education.
It was the CSA that reinforced the Constitution
The so-called Confederates blatantly violated the Constitution. The Constitution - which the states attempting to secede had fully ratified - says quite plainly that the act of ratification is an agreement that the Constitution is the law of the land.
And the Constitution plainly states that in any controversy between any of the states and the federal government, the dispute is left to the adjudication of the federal judiciary.
The seceding states did not even pretend to follow the Constitution they had ratified in seeking to separate.
the advice of Thomas Jefferson and many other early patriots
Thomas Jefferson had been dead for 34 years, and certainly offered no such advice.
Lincoln was at the mercy of usual suspects, the railroad and banking magnates and their desire for encompassing power over the existing and future states.
Hardly.
As the records and documents of the secession conventions show, the impetus for secession was the belief that the President-elect with the help of a possible majority of Congress would be able to successfully legislate a prohibition of the expansion of slavery to the federal territories.
Such a move would enable two or more free states to enter the Union during the course of Lincoln's presidency, which would end the ability of the slave states to block legislation in the Senate. The seceding states' future economic hopes were predicated on the aggressive expansion of plantation slavery to the Pacific.
So the economic powers that dictated disunion and war were the slaveholding class.
Northeastern bankers and railroad magnates owned more southern railroads, shipping and processing businesses in 1860 than they ever had before.
They had no economic interest in war: the war resulted in a complete interruption in commercial freight shipping to the slave states, the destruction of thousands of miles of existing tracks they had invested in, and the commandeering of railroads at below-market rates by the government for troop movements.
One of the key disagreements between free and slave states was whether the contemplated transcontinental railroad would be built below or above the 36'30" line. Northeastern railroad men and bankers didn't care, because they would have gotten the contracts no matter where it was built.
The hub of Northeastern banking and investment - New York City - itself almost tried to declare itself a neutral party in the war so it could trade with both sides and therefore its commerce would continue uninterrupted.
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