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Some very good non-religious arguments for the protection of human life even in the embryonic stage.
1 posted on 04/13/2008 6:20:13 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: wagglebee; cpforlife.org; narses; Coleus

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2 posted on 04/13/2008 6:21:09 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

Be they ever so humble in their origins. Besides, Horton knew that just because he could see someone didn’t mean that person didn’t exist.


3 posted on 04/13/2008 6:22:54 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: markomalley

Genetically speaking, there is a time before which an individual of a sexually reproducing species does not exist and after which, be it ever so humble, it does. From that moment to the moment of its dissolution it passes through definable stages of development and degeneration. Here are some that apply to us: zygote, embryo, fetus, newborn, infant, toddler, child, pre-adolescent, young adult, mature adult, old-aged. Upon this continuum of development place an asterisk where “it” becomes “human” and perhaps another where its humanity ceases as far as the empirical world is concerned. Many would place the asterisks at conception and death (death defined as the irreversible disruption of the continuum). I do. It is this creature appearing at conception and disappearing at death that is human.


4 posted on 04/13/2008 6:26:56 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: markomalley
The position taken by the death cultists is the same one taken by the pro slavery crowd in earlier centuries.

Those less worthy are less equal and therefore we can do with them as we will.

It is amazing to me that nothing was learned from the atrocities of WWII from either the Germans or the Japanese.

If you accede to the naturalistic/secular view that might makes right then no one at all has any human rights.

The strong have every right to murder the weak even if they are adults.

This brave new world is neither very brave or very new..

It's as old as the cult of molek...

5 posted on 04/13/2008 6:28:26 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: markomalley
Some while ago some teenager was quoted here on FR say saying (this is not verbatim):
"Well, if you have to kill it to keep it from growing, it must be alive."

6 posted on 04/13/2008 6:28:33 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: markomalley
Once the one sperm enters, it is a human life. It is done.


7 posted on 04/13/2008 6:30:18 PM PDT by montag813
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To: markomalley
destroying human embryos, even at an early stage, in order to obtain stem cells for research or medical treatment is giving a license to kill a certain class of human beings in order to benefit others.

That is the reason for the desire for government funded stem cell research, to establish the principle of the government choosing to destroy individual humans or classes of humans for the benefit of favored individuals or classes. That is why the push for embryonic and foetal stem cell research in the face of the lack of results from it while adult and umbilical cord stem cell research has already provided useful medical advances without killing people to do it.

8 posted on 04/13/2008 6:33:46 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: markomalley
It may not be recognizable as human life but it is life nonetheless and should be protected from murders who wish to exploit it or destroy it.
10 posted on 04/13/2008 6:39:01 PM PDT by infantrywhooah (Hold your nose and vote in November. Even McCain is better than the alternatives)
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To: markomalley

Too bad we cannot convince John McCain that everytime an embryeo is sacrificed to this type of research that another human being has been murdered.

This type of political calculation on his part that he apparently thinks is necessary to win the White House, along with his support of Global Warming, attacks against the 1st amendment, voting against tax cuts, etc, is why he will be a horrible President.

He has no leadership skills, only an over-reaching desire to be in the seat of power, and judging by his ever leftward march with respect to his positions on issues near and dear to conservatives, he is willing to sell his soul, if he thinks it is necessary, to gain the white house.


11 posted on 04/13/2008 6:50:23 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: markomalley
They also argue that it is an error to condemn hundreds of thousands of human lives to a sort of frozen limbo. Thus the process of creating and freezing such embryos needs to questioned, state the authors.

It is the logical progression of the argument but, hoo boy, that is a lot of toothpaste to be put back in the tube.

13 posted on 04/13/2008 6:51:34 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: markomalley

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14 posted on 04/13/2008 6:56:25 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: wagglebee

Ping.


15 posted on 04/13/2008 6:59:07 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: Coleus; firebrand

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17 posted on 04/13/2008 7:19:44 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: markomalley

Robert George will leave a historical legacy behind him as one of the few academics with the courage to buck the liberal mindsweepers to defend innocent human life.

When this pro-death age passes away, the academic lemmings will be nothing but bad memories-like the German academics who looked the other way, under Hitler, to save their own worthless hides.

Kudos, Professor George! -Doing the thinking and writing the faux scholars refuse to do.


18 posted on 04/13/2008 7:22:55 PM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: markomalley
Of course, the left only supports embryonic stem cell research that involves the killing of unborn children precisely because they want to sanctify the act of killing of the unborn. If they can get just one "good" use out of embryonic stem cells obtained from dead children, then it will serve to legitimize abortion for many people.

Most people who are opposed to killing unborn children, however, have no problems with harvesting embryonic stem cells from non-fetal sources (say, the placenta, or other tissues which become obsolete when the baby is born).

Sadly though, any attempt to fund such research is routinely killed by the Democrats, because it doesn't serve their goal of sanctifying the most vile and disgusting things one human can do to another.

22 posted on 04/13/2008 7:37:41 PM PDT by pnh102
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To: markomalley

Some of us pro-life FReepers have been saying this for some time now.

And other pro-abortion FReepers have been arguing against it.


24 posted on 04/13/2008 8:18:39 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

26 posted on 04/14/2008 8:23:17 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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Of course the HUMAN embryo is human. If not human, what??


28 posted on 04/14/2008 11:07:31 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: markomalley

WOW! Thank you!!


29 posted on 04/14/2008 11:11:54 PM PDT by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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