Gun Control Laws

Thank you I concur, should be required reading

It is well known that in countries that have gun control laws homicide rates are low.

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Gun Control Laws [kitty wanted a new scratching post]
April 10 2008 | apparentlly

Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 1:42:18 PM by Apparently

Gun owners insist that they need to carry a concealed weapon that is handguns for self-protection from criminals. Now that is saying that it is not safe for anyone to walk/drive to work at anytime of the day or night without fear of being attacked, robbed, raped, murdered for money etc. I am told that you cannot make any enemies in the United States for fear of being shot. In addition, that the only way of preventing this is to carry with you, a handgun of one form or another. I am also told that a well arm society is a polite society, and that strict laws lower crime. I am also told that the more guns on the streets the safer the streets become. The mindset I assume is that if you do not like something or somebody you can always shoot them, your friends can always attest to it being a justifiable shooting. After reading the FBI stats, it goes along the lines that American civilians shoot and kill as many felons as the police do approximately and it is called justifiable. It is said that Americans are opposed to gun control and that you might as well take away cars as they kill more people than guns or how about knives. How about taking away alcohol that kills more people than guns.

First off, "Apparently" you start off with a lie as the premise for your argument. The lie is "Gun owners insist they need to carry a concealed weapon 'that is handguns' for self-protection from criminals". I carry a weapon 90% of the time. I do so, son, because I CAN. I have a RIGHT to keep, and bear arms. A RIGHT. Not a law, not some lame-assed regulator, Leftist or criminal lawyer, legislator or King telling me I can't. I have a RIGHT. My Right to keep and bear arms (which means own and carry for you, since you don't 'apparently' understand English) extends beyond your right to tell me I can NOT carry a weapon. No FREE man (or woman) should be FORCED to disarm by the likes of you. The rest of your first paragraph is a load of crap you made up on the spot because you really, honestly do NOT understand history, and that is very, very evident from your writing.

Keeping the last argument in mind there does seem to be a flaw in the arguments concerning car/knives/alcohol, those things related to deaths are considered accidents, meaning, even though someone died during a car accident it was not intentional. Your intent I hope was not to go out with your car to kill someone. If it was it was, then it Was well thought out and obviously intentional on your part. You went out and got drunk and did something stupid that resulted in the death of someone, you did not again I hope do it on purpose, it was an accident. In regards to alcohol death results but it means a lot of physical activity on your part, for this to end up happening. Moreover, in anger and bad judgment on your part made the death happen due to the ease of access to the gun. You did not have time to think it out, or the thought of the consequences or even have time to cool down before you acted, it is now too late.

Keeping your "last argument in mind" as you say, and knowing that it is already wrong let's look at the next paragraph. By your reasoning, since cars kill MORE young adults than guns, then why haven't you attempted to ban cars yet? Statistics lie if you let them, but if you look at raw numbers, more 'kids' are killed by car accidents than any other cause in the United States. Drinking, and then driving is not a NORMAL thing to do and anyone with a LICK of sense won't drive under the influence of alcohol. However, people do it all the time. If there is a death related to alcohol, they get the book thrown at them in most jurisdictions. And guns, sonny, don't kill people - and to be HONEST here, guns in the hands of law abiding citizens like me don't kill people EITHER, unless I HAVE to use one to stop the commission of a crime. Oh sure, now you will say "But that's the job of the police". Sure it is, but if they aren't there and my life or the lives of innocent people around me are in danger then it is MY DUTY as a CITIZEN of this country, as a law abiding citizen, and as someone with the knowhow, and capability to STOP that criminal activity and protect the lives of those around me. I guess they quit teaching "good citizenship" in school after I left and you children don't understand this.

The crime rates are not going down as so many like to mislead and out right lie about it.

The only lie here is the one you just told. The fact is that in areas where concealed carry is the NORM, crime has dropped DRASTICALLY. It happens each and every time a state passes a concealed carry law allowing people to carry. What YOU are failing to understand is that the BAD GUYS don't give a crap about laws. They will carry a concealed weapon ANYWAY. Thus, you have sheep (you the unarmed person) and the wolves (the bad guys). You can't carry as a law abiding citizen, but the bad guy can? Stop lying to yourself and wake the hell up.

For those they have a social/economic motive to lie and mislead others. It is to promote their own personal status and economic agendas.

You're speaking of yourself, of course because you wrote the tripe at the beginning of this thread because you wanted to hide facts and lie, and you obviously have an anti-gun agenda.

Crime rates fluctuate from year to year and for them to have any clear meaning have to be looked at over a period of a decade.

Mark Tawin said, "There's lies, damned lies and then there's statistics." You can make up any numbers you like and lie about them all you want, but you can't sit there and tell us that "Only over a decade" do the numbers mean anything. That's as untrue as the rest of the lies you told.

The fact is the crime rates in the United States are one of the highest in the world, and those that say otherwise are misleading you. Crime rates are a reflection of the social/economic environment in which they take place.

Another LIE. The United States keeps better records than anyone else, but the crime rates are not higher here than everywhere else.

There would be no need for someone to carry a handgun if the economic environment was robust and the social/political environment was tolerant of peoples of different backgrounds.

Really? You think tolerance is all this is about? Ok, well, asshole TOLERATE the fact that *I* have a gun and *I* WILL be carrying when and where I want, and you sonny, can pound sand with the rest of your Liberal Socialist-Marxist friends. And when you try to come for my guns, you will be the one that gets killed, not me. I don't HAVE to tolerate YOUR attitude if you don't want have to tolerate mine.

In fact, if that should take place the crime rates would go down dramatically as you would then be living in a culture free for the most part of intolerance. A social/political environment that is hostile is simply bad for business of any kind and so does not flourish.

Tell that to your anarchist, criminal buddies. If they simply LEARN to get along in American society, they they will stop committing crimes and trying to tell me I should disarm.

Gun control laws are not to remove guns from law-abiding citizens but to remove the threat of misuse/accidents in order to protect the society.

The problem sonny, is that gun control laws don't remove guns from criminals. Only law abiding people abide by the law. Don't you morons get this? No, obviously not. Criminals BREAK THE LAW. They don't care of Grandma is unarmed, but they prefer she ISN'T. And people like you, IDIOTS like you keep perpetuating the LIE that "gun control laws won't affect law abiding people". This is simply ONE MORE LIE!

Now the gun laws may not reduce crime but if you read on you will see my point.

Now you're simply sounding insane. Gun laws might not reduce crime? But we can create a NEW law! See it will help, but it won't HURT! Lying sack of excrement.

In other countries were uniform gun laws are in place there is a mandatory jail time for committing a crime with a gun.

You mean, like England? Where the only people you EVER hear about going to jail are INNOCENT people who happen to still have a gun laying around and used it to DEFEND THEMSELVES? You're making them into criminals as the English have done, the Aussies, the Scots and numerous other, supposedly right-thinking countries.

The same crime if committed without a gun on average would spend half as much time in prison, so mandatory long prison times for gun crimes acts as a deterrent for crime, as a criminal you would think twice about it. That means for example someone is robbed, at least they will have a better chance of living through the experience, with a gun and the likely hood of being shot you do not have that much of a chance of living. Better to be hurt than dead. It is well known that in countries that have gun control laws homicide rates are low. Author Apparently

yet one more lie to tell here huh? Look idiot... America already HAS laws against using weapons in the commission of a crime, and in most areas doing so will add many years to your sentence. But, you know what about the guy that is on the wrong end of that gun, the store clerk who doesn't have a gun because the company says he can't carry one, and the law says "No concealed weapons". The store clerk is robbed and probably killed if he resists.

But the criminal gets away. Sure he might get caught later, and golly, he will "go to jail and have some years added on for using a weapon".

How in the HELL does that hell the dead store clerk, the guy whose right you took to defend himself against that criminal? He is dead, his wife and baby without income, but he is DEAD. And the criminal "goes to jail" where he gets three meals a day for the next 10 or 20 years, but he's ALIVE. And the day he gets out of jail the first thing he will do is rob someone else. Mark my words son. If I am that clerk, the slime ball criminal won't make it to his day in court.

You are a mouth-breath, Left wing Marxist America hater and you love Micheal Moore and Hillary Clinton. You're a friend of the Brady's and you're probably one of the slimes that wrote bad things about Heston when he died, you hate the NRA and you hate hate hate. You LIE to perpetuate your hatred and people like you should be forced to live with the rights we all love so dearly for a few months and be subjected to the very WORLD that you want to see come about... not forever, just for a few months.

A utopia without guns... except that criminals will still be able to get them - but NOT you.

A world where you work your ass off every day, and you see NONE of the money you've made, it goes to the government, and they send you a package of beans, and a little bacon each week, perhaps some water.

You live in free government housing, complete with roaches and rats and your existence is based solely on the whims the Dearly Beloved Giant Government, Big Brother and "society" sets the rules, and God help you.. oh sorry, there is no God... and someone HELP you if you screw up, or say the wrong thing about that government, because, you're going to jail, without your beans and bacon and you're still going to work your ass off and you're going to die there of starvation.

Son, you have a LOT to learn about life.

Don't EVER come back to the Free Republic, or MY world again unless you want to live Free and die for that freedom. Piss off, Apparently.

The crime rates are not going down as so many like to mislead and out right lie about it. For those they have a social/economic motive to lie and mislead others. It is to promote their own personal status and economic agendas. Crime rates fluctuate from year to year and for them to have any clear meaning have to be looked at over a period of a decade.

This was just posted, which completely throws this clown's world view out the window.

Australian Gun Law Update After One Year
Rugerforum.com ^ | 04/07/08 | Ed Rendell

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2002222/posts

Australian Gun Law Update After One Year

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts... From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia !

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent ; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!