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McCain advisers tied to foreign lobbying (1 paid $720 thou by Mexico to advance amnesty for aliens)
Washington Times ^ | 04/11/2008 | Jim McElhatton and Jerry Seper

Posted on 04/11/2008 10:08:35 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Two of Sen. John McCain's top advisers and fundraisers are among several Republican and Democratic presidential campaign officials whose lobbying firms have been paid more than $15 million by foreign governments since 2005.

The firms of McCain senior adviser Charlie Black, who until recently was the chairman of Washington-based BKSH & Associates, and campaign co-chairman Thomas G. Loeffler, who heads the Loeffler Group in San Antonio, received millions of dollars lobbying the White House, Congress and others as agents of nearly a dozen foreign clients in recent years.

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c Rob Allyn, head of the Dallas-based Allyn & Co., a public relations, advertising and political media firm, who was paid $720,000 by the Mexican government in 2006 to polish its image and call for a guest worker program for millions of Mexican nationals illegally in the United States.

The lobbying efforts came at a time Congress and the White House were debating comprehensive immigration-reform legislation, which was defeated in June. Then-President Vicente Fox was an outspoken critic of the proposed legislation.

Mr. Black and Mr. Loeffler also are listed by Mr. McCain's campaign Web site as bundlers, expected to collect thousands of dollars in donations from several sources to bypass federal election laws limiting individual contributors to a $2,300 maximum donation.

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(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; 2008; aliens; amnesty; charlieblack; ctils; elections2008; electjohnmccain; immigrantlist; immigration; johnmccain; lobbying; loeffler; mccain; mexico; roballyn
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To: wideawake

Wait till the media blitz begins, funded by that 40 million the Democrats have pledged to take McCain down.

There is much ammunition available for them to use against him. He is also a big and slow target and will go down like the Titanic. We can then expect to see his temper begin to surface. Right now, he has been working extra hard to stay cool but he has not had any tough challenges yet. Give it time, he will crack. He always does and quite easily at that, once the opposition learns his pressure points. And there are many, because of his long history of blowing up, it will be easy to trigger his detonator.


21 posted on 04/11/2008 10:30:13 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
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To: Pharmboy
Newt? Are you kidding?

He's another "global warming" idiot.

22 posted on 04/11/2008 10:36:10 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: SoConPubbie
The fact is that America's immigration laws are broken. They need to be revised.

It should never have been illegal for able-bodied Mexicans seeking work to come to the USA in the first place - our backwards immigration laws, created by Democrats in the 1960s, are themselves wrong. Just bad law.

The fact that illegal aliens avail themselves of government largesse is can easily be fixed by changing government programs. It's not as if there isn't already a ton of waste in these programs to begin with, apart from immigration.

The same goes for taxes - the fact that taxes are too high has nothing to do with immigration - it has to do with a Congress that never met a program it didn't like.

As far as the American public opposing amnesty is concerned. McCain should take it as a message that his stance on the issue is far too lenient.

The fact remains that deporting every illegal immigrant in this country would be an economic and human rights disaster, and our focus should be on eliminating aliens who commit violent crimes or engage in the drug trade.

The illegal aliens whose criminal activities extend to trespassing the border and buying papers in order to stay should pay a far steeper price than McCain is willing to impose, certainly.

But some kind of just punishment and clear road to legal rehabilitation needs to be found.

And neither the let 'em all in people nor the drive 'em all out people have a workable solution.

23 posted on 04/11/2008 10:37:22 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“Well, guess what, those who came here as “guest workers” lsimply disappeared into the American population after the work was through”

My only experience with guest workers was in the 50’s when I was doing work in cenral California, and the progem worked very well then. I not sure what the difference was from recent programs. Perhaps back in the 50’s they were paid in Mexico. Of course, Chavez ended that program.

Tell us about your experiences with a guest worker program?


24 posted on 04/11/2008 10:37:49 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“Well, guess what, those who came here as “guest workers” lsimply disappeared into the American population after the work was through”

My only experience with guest workers was in the 50’s when I was doing work in cenral California, and the progem worked very well then. I not sure what the difference was from recent programs. Perhaps back in the 50’s they were paid in Mexico. Of course, Chavez ended that program.

Tell us about your experiences with a guest worker program?


25 posted on 04/11/2008 10:37:49 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: elpadre

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26 posted on 04/11/2008 10:41:29 AM PDT by drzz
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To: wideawake
The fact remains that deporting every illegal immigrant in this country would be an economic and human rights disaster

"Not wanting another 50mil+ illegals forcibly rammed down our collective gullet" is not even remotely equivalent to "deport every illegal immigrant already in this country." Straw man argument.

It should never have been illegal for able-bodied Mexicans seeking work to come to the USA in the first place

It isn't "illegal for able-bodied Mexicans seeking work to come to the USA in the first place." They can apply to do so legally, just as immigrants from every single other nation on the face of the planet are required to do. Straw man argument.

27 posted on 04/11/2008 10:42:55 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (McCain "conservatives" = hardcore liberals who nonetheless appreciate the occasional tax cut.)
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To: wideawake
The same goes for taxes - the fact that taxes are too high has nothing to do with immigration - it has to do with a Congress that never met a program it didn't like.

Taxes are needed to support programs, if those programs are being abused by millions of illegal aliens driving up the costs, then it does have something to do with illegal aliens.

Let me make it even more clear for you...

If we did not all illegal aliens to steal the billions that are currenting being stolen by illegal aliens out of our tax coffers we would not need as high a tax rate as we currently have.
28 posted on 04/11/2008 10:43:49 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

In the face of this economy staggering under the stupidity of all the financial bubbles amnesty and guestworkers ain’t gonna play. The old potato head is dead in the water, Jim Jones Obama is gonna eat his lunch.


29 posted on 04/11/2008 10:45:38 AM PDT by junta (It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
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To: wideawake
The fact remains that deporting every illegal immigrant in this country would be an economic and human rights disaster, and our focus should be on eliminating aliens who commit violent crimes or engage in the drug trade.

Quit throwing dis-ingenuous straw man arguments into the mix.

You do not have to forcibly deport anyone.

Simply make it impossible for illegal aliens to get a job or government benefits.

They will walk back across the border the same way they came.

Make it undesireable to be here as an illegal alien.

Problem Solved!
30 posted on 04/11/2008 10:45:56 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: drzz; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Lead Moderator; Jim Robinson
THE LEADING MODERATOR OF FR JUST KILLED NEWS FROM JPOST SAYING THAT AN UPCOMING REPORT WAS ABOUT TO BE PUBLISHED STATING THAT SADDAM WMDS HAD BEEN MOVED TO SYRIA.
What happened to locking duplicate threads (even though the other 2 were 3 and 4 days old respectively), and referring people to the original thread? There were over 100 responses on today's thread, so it could at least be locked for posterity.
31 posted on 04/11/2008 10:46:16 AM PDT by cgk (Checkers Speech 08: Nixon didn't give the dog back, why should Obama give up his preacher? - Lowry)
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To: wideawake
As far as the American public opposing amnesty is concerned. McCain should take it as a message that his stance on the issue is far too lenient.

The problem with that sentiment, is that McAmnesty is either too stupid, or too stubborn to do the right thing.
32 posted on 04/11/2008 10:47:09 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: drzz
Dude... do not not not threadjack.

Do. NOT.

33 posted on 04/11/2008 10:48:36 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (McCain "conservatives" = hardcore liberals who nonetheless appreciate the occasional tax cut.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Here’s a pertinent portion of (the ever-popular campaign finance reform act) McCain/Feingold:

SEC. 303. STRENGTHENING FOREIGN MONEY BAN.

Section 319 of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 (2 U.S.C. 441e) is amended—
(1) by striking the heading and inserting the following: `contributions and donations by foreign nationals’’; and
(2) by striking subsection (a) and inserting the following:
(a) Prohibition.—It shall be unlawful for—
``(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
``(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
``(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
``(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 304(f)(3)); or
``(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.’’.

[[Page 116 STAT. 97]]


34 posted on 04/11/2008 10:49:06 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I’m sure this will be a popular statement here at FR, but I’ll say it anyway: Ross Perot was right!

But the spectacle of all those lobbyists in “thousand dollar suits and Gucci shoes” has progressed far beyond what it was in 1992. Now it’s probably “three thousand dollar suits and Gucci shoes.” Reading this article is beyond disgusting. The only conflict of interest anyone in DC is now concerned about are any laws or traditions that conflict with the DC insiders desire to cash in on the big foreign lobbying bucks.

We’ll never have honest, responsive government as long as these constant gaggles of lobbyists are swarming around every issue before our governement.

Wonder how Trent Lott’s new venture is going.


35 posted on 04/11/2008 10:50:59 AM PDT by Will88
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To: tumblindice

36 posted on 04/11/2008 10:51:00 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (McCain "conservatives" = hardcore liberals who nonetheless appreciate the occasional tax cut.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
(1) There are not 50+ million illegals in the US right now - not even close.

And the proposed legislation does not provide qualified amnesty for any new illegal immigration.

Straw man argument.

Yours is, indeed.

It isn't "illegal for able-bodied Mexicans seeking work to come to the USA in the first place." They can apply to do so legally

The amount of legal visas available is tiny and set by a 40 year old formula.

For all intents and purposes 95% of Mexicans who want to legitimately come to the US have no legal way of obtaining a visa, other than waiting indefinitely for a lottery.

37 posted on 04/11/2008 10:51:38 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Anonymous Rex; Dante3
Looks like McCain is trying for the Rino Stupidity Trifecta.

Keep in mind McCain is being flacked by the same types Rooty Giuliani was supposed to win with. You remember Rooty? His losing campaign has achieved cult status as the stupidest strategy in American political history.

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McCain's got a strange group flacking his candidacy.

McC has emphasized he won't "pander" to so/cons to get this important constituency behind his candidacy. According to McQueeg, it's called "pandering" only when applied to conservatives.

McC has No such problem pandering to illegals. McC is all puckered up, on his knees, sucking up to illegals like a dry drunk with his mouth glued to a beer keg.

Alarmingly, McCain chose a dual-loyalty traitor to be his "Hispanic Outreach Director." Talk about pandering-----McCain said he chose Hernandez because he AGREES with his positions.

Juan Hernandez was born in Dallas and decided as an adult to become a dual-national Mexican citizen. His last verifiable job was serving in Mexican President Vicente Fox's cabinet as Fox's "American Reconquista Director." Hernandez then worked for Bush hater George Soros' international foundations---(one such foundation published Hernendez's book that taunts Americans).

Hernandez believes all illegal Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the USA should become dual citizens and consider themselves Mexicans first, "to the 8th generation." The "New American Pioneers" proclaimed in his book are the illegal alien invaders he urges to become settlers in the USA for "Reconquista"---the plan to take back the SW.

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Another group switch-hitting to McCain is shortstuff Fox pundit, Billy Kristol, his daddy, and their crowd of pukeneos.

The Kristols are cheerleaders for the current admin's most destructive polices---including the twice-failed amnesty, and the trillion dollar bleeding of US treasure into Mideast hellholes (and into pockets of war profiteers).

The conservative-hating Kristols are also designated drivers of the wacky "National Greatness" thingy---which must have been written in a drunken stupor.

Kristol and the pukeneos first-choice for prez was Rooty Giuliani; they were the ones orchestrating Rooty's stupid strategy to religiously cleanse the Repub party and kick conservatives to the curb.

The Kristol crowd switched to McCain when their boy Giuliani tanked like a deadweight going down a 300 ft cistern. The pukeneos were directing Giuliani's cockamamie strategy to "save himself" for Florida---which has reached cult status as the stupidest strategy in campaign history.

Giuliani ferociously campaigned (and lost) in EVERY primary/caucus, then campaigned 61 days straight in Fla, and came in a distant third..........without conservatives.

Now we await McC's disastrous sucking up to hyphenates. Keep in mind McQueeg helped write the twice-failed amnesty bill we fought so hard to stop.

38 posted on 04/11/2008 10:53:17 AM PDT by Liz (Without the brave, there'd be no land of the free. Senator Fred Thompson)
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To: SoConPubbie
Simply make it impossible for illegal aliens to get a job

How about the ones who already have businesses and property? Will their property be seized? Their businesses closed by the police?

Make it undesireable to be here as an illegal alien.

It would be better to make it easier to immigrate here but make it very undesireable to be a freeloader.

39 posted on 04/11/2008 10:54:42 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: NormsRevenge
"We got us a real winner in November..."

More like Soros got himself 3 winners come November. WE have already lost...

40 posted on 04/11/2008 10:55:23 AM PDT by penowa
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