And the proposed legislation does not provide qualified amnesty for any new illegal immigration.
Straw man argument.
Yours is, indeed.
It isn't "illegal for able-bodied Mexicans seeking work to come to the USA in the first place." They can apply to do so legally
The amount of legal visas available is tiny and set by a 40 year old formula.
For all intents and purposes 95% of Mexicans who want to legitimately come to the US have no legal way of obtaining a visa, other than waiting indefinitely for a lottery.
“For all intents and purposes 95% of Mexicans who want to legitimately come to the US have no legal way of obtaining a visa, other than waiting indefinitely for a lottery. “
Hey, stoop beating around the bush and just say you favor totally open borders, with no restrictions on the entry of anyone who thinks they have a legitimate reason to come here and stay.
Otherwise, your statement above is true, which is why Mexicans should be forced to stay home and bring about the changes in their own nation that would result in more opportunity for all citizens, not just the moneyed oligarchs.
And, 95% of Mexicans (or more) SHOULD NOT have any legal way to come to the US and stay. It’s called being a sovereign nation with laws and borders. Is that a foreign concept to you?
... and if that had been what I'd stated, you'd actually have a point, here. Unfortunately -- threaded message board conversations being what they are -- my original statement, already archived for posterity, is, was, and remains:
"Not wanting another 50mil+ illegals forcibly rammed down our collective gullet"
You know perfectly well what's being stated here, FRiend; and whey-faced disingenuousness doesn't even remotely suit a FReeper of your years and stature. Argue the points on their merits, or else simply cede them graciously, for heaven's sake.
Again: "Not wanting another 50mil+ illegals forcibly rammed down our collective gullet" is not even remotely equivalent to "deport every illegal immigrant already in this country." Straw man argument.
The amount of legal visas available is tiny and set by a 40 year old formula.
Not even remotely enough reason to surrender our borders -- and, hence, both our sovereignty AND our national security (isn't Juan supposedly running as the "defense-savvy candidate, this year?) -- obviously.
Here's a wacky, way-out solution: why not simply lobby -- openly and fairly -- for an increased/adjusted formula, re: LEGAL immigration... rather than simply transforming the entire nation into a slightly swankier suburban bedroom community of Mexico proper, instead. Hmmmm?
Coming to America is a privelege, not a right. Let them wait in line like everyone else.
So where is this OUR problem. Seems like the government of the sovereign country of Mexico has the problem. We are NOT obligated to take every foreigner that wants to come here into this country. As for the '40 year old formula' why are we obligated to do something about it? What international law, court, group has authority over us?
As for the 50 million illegals, you also don't have any way of knowing that there aren't. I can see them everywhere I go and I'd tend to believe the high side rather than the low side as you are implying.