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FLDS opponents say wrong man named in warrant
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 4/9/2008 | Nate Carlisle

Posted on 04/09/2008 9:33:38 AM PDT by Domandred

Texas authorities named the wrong man in search and arrest warrants used to enter the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado and begin questioning FLDS children, two opponents of the sect said Tuesday.

The warrant issued Thursday evening named 50-year-old Dale Barlow, alleging he had married and impregnated a 16-year-old girl. Officials, who later sought a second search warrant, have removed 419 children.

But Joni Holm, who has helped children leave the FLDS, said the teenager who called officials on March 29 and 30 and claimed she was abused is married to a different, younger man. The girl's husband is in his late 30s, is related to Dale Barlow, shares his surname and has a similar sounding first name, Holm said.

"I know they're looking into the wrong one," Holm said.

Tela Mange, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, on Tuesday said police were continuing to serve warrants and attempt to locate "the person that we are looking for."

When asked if that person was still Dale Barlow, she said, "As far as I know."

But Flora Jessop, who left the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints at age 16 and now helps others do the same, also said the wrong man was named in the initial warrants.

Texas authorities have made no effort to apprehend Dale Barlow at his address in Colorado City, Ariz. He reported to his Arizona probation officer on Friday - less than 24 hours after the raid began to tell the officer he was under investigation.

His probation officer has said Dale Barlow claimed to not know the teenager making the abuse accusations. Later Friday, Arizona authorities questioned him and searched his home.

The Salt Lake Tribune, which generally does not name alleged victims of sexual abuse, and other media outlets have not published the girl's name.

But Holm said the girl's identity, and the correct identity of her husband, is "common knowledge" in Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah, where the sect has traditionally been based.

The Tribune is not naming the man identified by Holm as the girl's husband because he has not been named as a suspect or in court filings.

Holm, who is married to a former FLDS member, said she has spoken with people who know the teenager. She thinks Texas officials confused the two Barlows.

She believes it is possible the teenager did not know her husband's correct age and told authorities he is about 50. Also, she noted, Dale Barlow has a 2007 conviction in Arizona for criminal charges related to marrying and impregnating a different 16-year-old girl, which may have contributed to confusion.

The first warrant identified Dale Barlow by name and his birth date. The copy on file in court does not list the name of the investigator who petitioned for it.

A second and more expanded warrant, signed Sunday night, was based on observations and evidence found by law enforcement and child services workers inside the compound, according to court documents.


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KEYWORDS: donutwatch; flds; jeffs; shootfirst; yfzranch
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To: GovernmentShrinker
The identity or location of the initial caller became moot as soon as they went in and spotted several obviously pregnant minors.

Bingo!!!

61 posted on 04/09/2008 11:30:43 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: beltfed308; GovernmentShrinker

“Everything they saw, heard or found could be thrown out.”

If child sexual molestation laws and abuse are found present in that community and the highest court in the land throw it all out on technicality, we have lost everything this Country has been founded on.


62 posted on 04/09/2008 11:31:04 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Incredible the lengths gone to here to defend these baby rapers, isn't it.

Posting history checks on some will result in clues to agendas. Note my tagline.

63 posted on 04/09/2008 11:31:32 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (New apologist mantra..and defense.."love the POLYGAMY sin" but hate the sinner.")
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To: marajade

Even with everyone’s DNA, identifying biological relationships within this group is going to pose a major challenge for DNA analysis specialists. It’s common for girls to be married to their uncles or first cousins, and common for full and half sisters to be married to the same husband. Probably some mothers and daughters sharing husbands too, as women are frequently “reassigned” to new husbands, if their first one gets kicked out of the group. And this has been going on for many generations.


64 posted on 04/09/2008 11:31:50 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Domandred

He’s been convicted in Utah and now its AZ turn. Who really knows who these people are descended from Utah or AZ.


65 posted on 04/09/2008 11:33:24 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: beltfed308; Domandred

Its the difference between following the spirit vs the letter of the law. In this case the spirit carries more weight.


66 posted on 04/09/2008 11:35:51 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: greyfoxx39

To be fair, I think SOME of the defenders have little background knowledge of this group, and thus are assuming authorities had a lot less evidence prior to the search, than they actually did.


67 posted on 04/09/2008 11:36:33 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Yeah I know, its a big mess and finally someone is willing to do something about it. I say its about time.


68 posted on 04/09/2008 11:37:02 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

Dearborn Michigan is a good place to start looking. Phoenix Arizona would be a good place as well.


69 posted on 04/09/2008 11:37:58 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Edward Watson
In the meantime, thousands of Muslim girls, some as young as nine, are being forcefully married to middle-aged Muslim men in cities across the land.

And you proof of that is????? Link please!, However, I'm for execution of anyone caught doing this crap.

70 posted on 04/09/2008 11:38:19 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: marajade
If child sexual molestation laws and abuse are found present in that community and the highest court in the land throw it all out on technicality, we have lost everything this Country has been founded on.

If it is thrown out it will be in protection of our founding principles. I'm not in favor of scratching out the BOR 4th Amendment protections.

I truly hope that if wrongdoing was going on that they nail the SOBs by doing it the right way.

71 posted on 04/09/2008 11:38:50 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: TLI

“You failed to get the facts in this article right (Holms), and yet you criticize the people who failed to get a name correct when whispered over the phone by a terrified 16 year-old girl?”

You reached the wrong conclusion about Holms if you knew anything about how this cult operates. No way would she be able to help these kids get out if she were living in the compound under their power. This is an informed deduction on my part based on my studies of Mormon polygamous sects.

As far as not knowing who your father is, it’s easy to understand the confusion when some of these men have 50+ children. Would that situation describe your traditional family?

As for everything I’ve said, I invite you to do the research and show me my errors. Google is good. It’s not my fault if you’ve not been keeping up with the news coverage on this story.


72 posted on 04/09/2008 11:40:06 AM PDT by rightazrain (Stop Obama/Clinton!)
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To: Domandred

If you suspect something illegal in any community, report it.


73 posted on 04/09/2008 11:40:10 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

And if you read my post you saw that I mentioned the pending Arizona case, and I also said he is probably guilty in that one. Where they are descended from doesn’t matter.


74 posted on 04/09/2008 11:40:19 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Edward Watson
Slow down there. Talk to me for a moment:

I don't care what people do in their free time. You want to set up a household that is a non-stop orgy of sex and booze, fine. Just don't vomit on my lawn and please keep your shades drawn. Thanks!

The issue here is one of consent. Children under a certain age cannot legally consent to sexual activity with an adult. So-called Romeo and Juliet laws aside (small age gaps don't get prosecuted, so sex between a 18 year old girl and a 17 year old boy, for example, isn't illegal), even "consenting" sex between a 14 year old and a 30 year old is illegal in the eyes of the law unless there is a parent-approved marriage, but only in some states. Texas, as one article mentioned, does not acknowledge marriages made to under-15 year old children.

In other words, the moment someone saw a pregnant 13 year old, there was evidence of a crime in Texas. We can argue semantics of "child" all you like and discuss people we know who look younger than their age, but the fact remains that a pregnant child is evidence of rape and/or child abuse, depending on your definition. In Texas.

In other words, the police went to the compound looking for a particular person, the 16 year old girl who had made the initial call, as per this post, and not for the perpetrator. When the police were looking for this girl, the officers noticed evidence of a crime: pregnant children. They determined that the rest of the children there were in danger of further abuse and removed them. The officers didn't go there intended to run off with all the children.

Your facts are a little off.
75 posted on 04/09/2008 11:40:45 AM PDT by slightlyovertaxed
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To: Domandred
I see no proof that the 4th was ignored!!!
76 posted on 04/09/2008 11:41:04 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: beltfed308

Personally I don’t care about the letter of the law in this case. If society cannot protect innocent children we have lost everything.


77 posted on 04/09/2008 11:43:09 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Agreed. SOME.


78 posted on 04/09/2008 11:46:21 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (New apologist mantra..and defense.."love the POLYGAMY sin" but hate the sinner.")
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To: slightlyovertaxed
In other words, the police went to the compound looking for a particular person, the 16 year old girl who had made the initial call, as per this post, and not for the perpetrator. When the police were looking for this girl, the officers noticed evidence of a crime: pregnant children. They determined that the rest of the children there were in danger of further abuse and removed them. The officers didn't go there intended to run off with all the children.

BTTT

And that is why the 4th has not been abused.

79 posted on 04/09/2008 11:47:17 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: marajade
In this case the spirit carries more weight.

If they have the wrong name on both the search and arrest warrants that is a major boo-boo. I don't think spirt will mean much imo. Do they even have or know for sure the girl who reported this?

Many questions for sure and we will find out more in due time.

80 posted on 04/09/2008 11:48:36 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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