Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pentagon's Debt Collectors Accused of Ripping Off Soldiers
ABC News ^ | 04 Apr 2008 | JOSEPH RHEE

Posted on 04/05/2008 10:06:38 PM PDT by BGHater

Suit: Military Deducted Money From Service Members' Gov.'t Benefits or Tax Refunds

U.S. soldiers and veterans have been illegally hit up by Pentagon debt collectors for millions of dollars in payments over military credit card debt, according to the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.

"It is shocking that a U.S. government agency would illegally take this money from veterans who have served our country well," said Deepak Gupta of Public Citizen.

Public Citizen and consumer lawyers have filed a class-action lawsuit against the Army and Air Force Exchange Services (AAFES), which issues credit cards to U.S. service members to buy goods at military stores. The suit alleges that AAFES improperly took money from military credit card users for expired debt and inflated penalties and fees. Unlike civilian debt collectors who use phone calls and letters to try to collect payment, the military simply deducted the money from service members' government benefits or tax refunds, the suit contends.

"To take away these benefits because of old debt incurred during military service to buy things like uniforms and equipment is outrageous," said Gupta.

Lead plaintiff Julius Briggs, a veteran of Operation Desert Storm, said that AAFES illegally withheld more than $2,300 from his disability payments. According to the suit, Briggs' debt was too old to collect, and AAFES also hit him up with inflated interest rates and penalty fees. Briggs claims the withheld money caused him to miss his housing payments, leaving him temporarily homeless.

The suit charges that AAFES has illegally appropriated millions of dollars from thousands of service members over the years.

The U.S. Department of Justice lawyer defending the case declined comment, but the government has moved to have the suit dismissed on sovereign immunity grounds. At the U.S. District Court in San Francisco this week, plaintiffs' attorneys argued the case should go forward.

"With any luck, this lawsuit will force AAFES to stop collecting money that it has no right to take," said Briggs.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: aafes; collectors; debt; pentagon; soldiers
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-33 next last

1 posted on 04/05/2008 10:06:38 PM PDT by BGHater
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: BGHater

‘but the government has moved to have the suit dismissed on sovereign immunity grounds’

????


2 posted on 04/05/2008 10:07:22 PM PDT by BGHater ($2300 is the limit of your Free Speech.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BGHater

You can’t sue me because I’m the government ie I’m your sovereign and am immune to your claims.


3 posted on 04/05/2008 10:28:32 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: BGHater
"It is shocking that a U.S. government agency would illegally take this money from veterans who have served our country well,"

Not so shocking... Govt. agencies are expert at stealing and extorting $$. Forget about the mafia.... the govt. is the King of organized crime.

4 posted on 04/05/2008 10:41:20 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BGHater
This guy should got to jail for stealing !
5 posted on 04/05/2008 10:52:11 PM PDT by america-rules
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tflabo

Having been in the military for 22 years...this AAFEs racket went into high gear in the mid-90s when they cooked up this charge card deal. Any GI could get a card and a certain amount of credit. The idea was that the credit would equal his rank in some fashion and there would be a limit.

What I noticed a year after implementation (I never got the stupid charge card)...was that half the guys who got a card...maxed it out. They could not handle money or credit. I’m guessing in this case...alot of solders are being medically discharged and they have debts owed to AAFEs...which is regular credit card debt and collectable. Bluntly....AAFEs is not a charity operation and by congress’s mandate...must sustain itself. So they will collect this money until congress tells them to halt.

Personally...this is an area that I’d rather not get into...because if we forgive these debts owed to AAFEs...then the remaining GI’s will get stuck paying higher prices to make up the losses. It won’t take them long to figure out that scheme. Here in Germany a few years ago...someone suddenly realized that gas at the AAFEs gas pump was a bit higher than what you’d expect...and some AAFEs general finally admitted that they inflated the price slightly...to lessen the cost of diapers at the BX. Bunch of folks stood up and asked what the heck diapers had to do with gas...and this scheme suddenly disappeared and diaper prices shot up twenty percent.

Its all a credit game...which someone has to pay and someone has to lose.


6 posted on 04/05/2008 10:52:54 PM PDT by pepsionice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: BGHater
I worked 23 years for state, fed, and city(schools).Nothing some of the little piss ants that pass for beurocrats would do surprises me. Give some of them the least bit of authority and they try to take over the world.

vaudine

7 posted on 04/05/2008 10:56:26 PM PDT by vaudine (RO)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BGHater

Some of these soldiers do owe the debt. The way they go about collecting it could never happen in the civilian world. If an account is 30 days late the soldier’s Commander gets a letter stating so.

About 2 months ago, AAFES sent my Commander debt payment notices for a female soldier in my platoon for charges her husband made on the card before he was killed in Iraq. At the same time I had to give her that letter, I was also able to give her a check collected by my other soldiers that more than settled the account.


8 posted on 04/05/2008 11:48:07 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BGHater

FYI, Public Citizen is one of Ralph Nader’s operations. Given what other posters have said there may be a real problem here, but I somehow suspect that Public Citizen didn’t take the case because it has the best interests of our fighting men and women at heart.


9 posted on 04/06/2008 1:37:02 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BGHater

They spent the money and it is owed to AFFES. I have a card and when I spend money to get things I must pay it back. If I don’t then I should expect that AFFES should get their money back. Nothing wrong with this at all. AFFES is not a welfare company. People here should remember this.


10 posted on 04/06/2008 1:42:21 AM PDT by napscoordinator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: napscoordinator

Even though these soldiers rightly deserve admiration and consideration for their service, they (in getting and using the credit cards) are no different from any other citizen. Let’s reverse this discussion and say AFFES is WalMart and the soldiers are average Joes....does everyone still think AFFES is stealing money from the Joes and doesn’t have a right to be paid back?


11 posted on 04/06/2008 2:34:26 AM PDT by Gaffer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: BGHater
I was an officer for 21 years. By far, the biggest source of trouble for folks that work for you is debt.

Not paying debt, writing bad checks, or defaulting was the single biggest source of letters of counseling, letters of reprimand, and Article 15s.

There are many reasons for this. One of them is we basically pay our lower ranking enlisted troops of all services poverty wages.

AFFES issues the "STAR" card and used to simply ask the commander to get involved when payments were late or not made at all, but then the commander was acting like a 24/7 debt collector. So, AFFES was given the authority to garnish wages for debt owed.

Not saying it is right, but that is what happened.

12 posted on 04/06/2008 3:55:29 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BGHater

I knew it was just a matter of time before the govenment got in on the “We finance E-1 and up” scam.


13 posted on 04/06/2008 4:03:15 AM PDT by Shellback Chuck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: vaudine

If they charged items and owe the money then they should pay it back. Why do you have a problem with people being held accountable for their (illegal)actions?


14 posted on 04/06/2008 5:41:14 AM PDT by Vio24
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Gaffer

I agree that any money charged should be paid back but one must also look at what “inflated” interest and penalty fees are. Also back in the 90’s you had to be a member of the NCO club and the club card changed from an ID/check cahing card to a credit card. I told them I did not want a credit card, there answer was “just fill out this credit card application and we will decide if we give you a credit card”. I told them I would decide if I wanted a credit card and never joined the NCO club again. So credit cards were pushed on young adults who may have not been ready.


15 posted on 04/06/2008 5:41:16 AM PDT by Rodd16
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: BGHater

Judging by my days in the service, I doubt that much of the debt run up on the accounts was for uniforms and equipment.


16 posted on 04/06/2008 6:14:01 AM PDT by tarawa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SkyPilot

Great post. I had the same situation as a company commander in Germany. I was constantly dealing with soldiers with debt problems. Phone bills were killing some of my guys (most were married and their wives were running up the tabs).

Lets face it, the bold truth is that many lower-enlisted soldiers just aren’t that bright. They get into these money problems out of stupidity. Or they get married too young to the wrong person and then all the problems start.

But hey, us officers aren’t perfect either. The problems I saw with offiecrs were different though, not debt problems but infidelity. I know many a case of an officer throwing his career away by cheating on his wife.


17 posted on 04/06/2008 6:43:29 AM PDT by strider44
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: tarawa
Judging by my days in the service, I doubt that much of the debt run up on the accounts was for uniforms and equipment."

I don't know when you were in service (and thank you for that service) but my son has spent at least $1,000 on uniforms and equipment that are mandatory and not issued.

18 posted on 04/06/2008 6:53:49 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (101st Airborne Army Dad)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: pepsionice; All
I got news for you AFFES is still a criminal organization, When I first got to Camp Victory I noticed that AFFES used the “POG” plastic gift certs instead if actual change (they said it was too costly to ship in coins, (reasonable) but their prices were more than OCONUS exchanges and they never gave the correct change they would skim 1-4 cents off each sale. not too much? multiply X how many troops and contractors are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Mannas, Kuwait + number of exchanges in Iraq, Afghanistan, Mannas, Kuwait and you get grand theft by AFFES. Not an amount equaling chump change FYI
19 posted on 04/06/2008 7:00:56 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (Todays politicians living proof why we need have a second amendment to the constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: SERE_DOC
"...I got news for you AFFES is still a criminal organization..."

I was going to say that, but you did it for me.

20 posted on 04/06/2008 7:18:51 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (101st Airborne Army Dad)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-33 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson