John McCain Leads the Gutless Old Party

North Star Writers Group ^ | March 31, 2008 | David Karki

[Invisigoth]

Increasingly, it seems that the Republican Party would rather quit or simply embrace liberalism than fight for the conservatism in which they used to believe. It doesn't seem to matter how little they have left to lose. They'll find some reason or other to keep going along in the same leftward direction as the Democrats, just a tiny bit more slowly.

They would apparently rather be the Vichy Republicans, named for the puppet government of France that Nazi Germany appointed in the city of Vichy during its World War II occupation. Just as some Frenchmen sold out their country and brethren for the trappings of entirely phony “power” – as if they could really do anything of which the Nazis disapproved – so too are many Republicans more than willing to adopt and implement the policies of their erstwhile “enemy” just so they can pretend they have more influence than they really do. As if they could really pass anything of which the Democrats disapproved.

[rockinqsranch]

Disagree with you both. I look back at the Carter Admin. and see what that President did during his Administration, the subsequent actions of his embedded enablers since, and look at the results of where this Nation, and the World are today in making my statement. Obviously you don’t.

Call it “scary dramatics” if you will, but facts are facts. History is history. Another bout of Leftism since Clinton #1 could mean irrepairable damage to the America we know.

[NoGrayZone]

[NoGrayZone]

I look back at the Carter Admin. and see what that President did during his Administration, the subsequent actions of his embedded enablers since, and look at the results of where this Nation, and the World are today in making my statement. Obviously you don’t.

Actually I do and his name is mclame.

[Republic of Texas]

Actually he was comparing Republicans to the Vichy French. Correctly, I might add.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

No problemo. Just decide that you'll be voting for Juan, come November -- none of his supporters can see it, no matter HOW plainly the facts are placed before them. ;)

[B4Ranch]

“McCain’s lurching leftward the last 6 years will pay off” ...... for the Communists. Yep you’re correct there will be a payoff, under the table.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

What planet do you come from?

The Democrats took full control of the Legislature back in 2006. The Lame Duck Republican still sitting in the White House is doing pretty much that.

Sanity has been completely lost, especially for those who actually believe that McCain is a good choice, or level headed and sane.

But you just illustrated my point in the first place. The GOP has lost all sense of direction and is headed for disaster. Enjoy the ride you helped put on the road.

[NoGrayZone]

They remind me of the false mohammad prophet hussein’s followers. Although, mclame’s supporters “cry” instead of “fainting”.

[Wallace T.]

The Jimmy Carter administration was merely the culmination of a period of 20 years of bad executive leadership: the administrations of Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford were disastrous in their own particular ways, through expanding the size and scope of Federal power over the nation and the economy, loosening the controls on immigration ant the border, and ineffectively dealing with the Communist enemy and their allies in the Muslim world. While the Bill Clinton administration was deficient in many respects, the Gingrich-led Republican revolution of 1994 restrained his efforts to increase regulation and control. The singular achievement of Reagan was to effect the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, a far more dangerous enemy than the Iranian mullahs or the Muslim terrorist groups are or ever will be without support of a major power like Russia or China.

The problem is that none of the realistic alternatives for President, McCain, Hillary, and Obama, will govern from even the moderate perspective of George W. Bush. Furthermore, it is probable the GOP will lose some ground in the Senate, if not the House in this election cycle. The greatest external danger will of course come from radical Islam through terrorism. If the Islamofascists follow up an American withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan with another 9-11 incident, and a President McCain, Hillary, or Obama respond tepidly, that administration will be doomed to face a conservative Congress in 2011 and a resounding defeat in 2012. Both the terrorists and the Democrats are familiar with the outcome of the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979 and the 9-11 terror strike of 2001.

The greater dangers we face are from the mishandling of an economic slowdown through the imposition of higher taxes and stricter regulation and from the prospect of socialized medicine. These events could well prolong a downturn as surely as the New Deal extended the Great Depression.

[dennisw]

McCain is setting up a coalition of leftist Republicans and leftist Democrats that will be invincable. Just who will be advancing Conservatism, or building Conservatism for the next four years?

As far as I can tell, Conservatism will have no voice whatsoever during the McCain years. It will essentially become a theory under McCain, no longer an actual movement.

There just isn't enough support for real conservative candidates. This is a nationwide problem because the whole country moves a little bit more to the left each year. Ronald Reagan was the peak for conservation

Our Senators and Congressman are not stupid. The conservative ones are usually going leftward each year berceuse that's what gets you elected these days

There is a way out of it but I'm not sure what it is. 
Just look at the fantasy land primary the Democrats have. All based on emotions and image. This is how foolish many Americans are getting. Life is too nice here so people have a lot of space to indulge their fantasies. Such as saddling the USA with trillions of dollars of expenditures to combat global warming while China and India have unrestricted CO2 emissions and already account for two thirds all man made CO2 emissions. That India and China information was just on the Glenn Beck show
McCain wants to stop global warming because he knows this nonsense gets him votes

[Grunthor]

“Increasingly, it seems that the Republican Party would rather quit or simply embrace liberalism than fight for the conservatism in which they used to believe.”

How true.

[Grunthor]

“Comparing today’s Republicans to WWII Nazi’s. Nice.”

You are correct. Nazi’s were evil, murdering bastards. AND they had spines!

[Grunthor]

“McCain is as good as we can get these days.”

Then this nation is well and truly boned.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

This country has reached a point similar to that of an out of control Alcoholic.

The ONLY option is for the Alcoholic to hit bottom and crash completely. Then and only then is a recovery even remotely possible. The economy and the American way of life must be severely changed an put in jeopardy for the American public to wake up from it’s coma.

It is simply a necessary event that has to happen and soon will under any of the three choices for President. Better that a Democrat gets the blame and helps Republicans save what little respect they have left from the American people.

Then, a campaign to expose the MSM and break their strangle hold on the public will also be necessary. The potential for that happening has never been better either.

[Once-Ler]

The concept is quite logical and possible. We did in once before with Reagan.

It is not logical. Your recipe is the same destructive blueprint that elected Clinton over Bush Sr. From the SCOTUS, to weapon technology transfers, to 9-11...the all or nothing far right is misguided and memory damaged.

All of these young misguided voters who are fresh out of school and clearly brainwashed by the Liberal doctrine, will learn the hard way.

You have more faith in humananity than I do. As I recall Clinton was re-elected and his wife now has a shot to mess things up more.

[DoughtyOne]

There just isn't enough support for real conservative candidates.  I actually agree with that, but there is an obvious reason for this.

This is a nationwide problem because the whole country moves a little bit more to the left each year. Ronald Reagan was the peak for conservation.  True.  Can you think of even one person on the federal level, that has run on the Conservative principles Ronald Reagan heralded prior to and during his terms in office?  I can't.

Our Senators and Congressman are not stupid. The conservative ones are usually going leftward each year berceuse that's what gets you elected these days.  I would beg to differ here.  They most certainly are stupid.  Our current President has joined them to produce massive spending.  They have also backed idiotic education nonsense that was basicly nonthing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.  We have allowed open border to sap our nation.  In short, you could go right down the line and list the tenets of Conservatism we have seen betrayed during the last twenty years since Reagan was President.  And this has made it next to impossible to sell Conservatism, because the public isn't stupid.  We have sold out our principles (as least our leaders have for us), and now it's impossible to sell Conservatism from a party that has sold it out for twenty years.  And yet, they haven't a clue why they can't sell it.  And they have decided to abandon it entirely with no pretenses to the contrary.

There is a way out of it but I'm not sure what it is.  There are actually two ways out of it.  The Republican party could come out and admit that they have sold Conservatism out over the last twenty years and announce that they were going to renew their dedication to it's tenets and implement them whenever possible from public office.  Let's remember that Ronald Reagan had to fight to do the same thing in 1980.  He was the only one who proposed the Conservative agenda he did, and the powers that be wasn't happy about it one bit.

The only other way would be to start a third party that devised a firm Conservative platform, and wasn't afraid to push it from local cities up thorough the federal government.  The Republican party has made themselves comepletely irrelevent.  If someone wanted to vote for a leftist, why would they vote for the watered down leftist?  No, they would vote for the real thing.

Just look at the fantasy land primary the Democrats have. All based on emotions and image. This is how foolish many Americans are getting.  Life is too nice here so people have a lot of space to indulge their fantasies. Such as saddling the USA with trillions of dollars of expenditures to combat global warming while China and India have unrestricted CO2 emissions and already account for two thirds all man made CO2 emissions.  I firmly agree.  But look at what that McCain dummard is doing.  I know you refrence it farther down, but he buys into this B.S.  Between him and the Democrats during the next four years, they'll destroy this nation with this and countless other bad policies.  While this is taking place, Conservatism will have nowhere to go, no one to represent them or counter this clap-trap agenda.

You won't even be able to develop a base from which to push Conservatism in 2012, because the Republican party will be trying to kill any such uprising.  If McCain is elected, there will be no effort to rebuild, to develop our brand, to out the truth of Conservatism vs what is being ushered in.  McCain is the perfect Third-Way candidate.  He will do ten times the damage to this nation that Bill Clinton, Hillary or Obama could.  He will do it because there will be no oppostion.  Having gone the Third-Way route, the Republicans and the Democrats will be able to support just about anything he wants to do.

You've now seen how absolutely destructive to Conservative policy Bush was.  McCain is even worse.  Watch the destruction this guy leaves in his path.  He is the poison pill for Conservatism.

Folks will vote him in, and Conservatism will simply die and blow away.  Do you think forums like this will blast him?  You know darn well many people will support him simply because he has an (R) after his name.  They will challenge anyone who criticizes him from this side of the isle.  There will be long lists of all his accomplishments, that will ignore the utter Conservative destrucion he will leave in his wake.  Look at what we have had to deal with for the last eight years and tell me I'm wrong.

That India and China information was just on the Glenn Beck show.  And I agree with it.

McCain wants to stop global warming because he knows this nonsense gets him votes.  In the absense of any Conservative arguements to the contrary, you're right.

Who is selling Conservatism these days?  Bush? (LMAO)  McCain?  The RNC?  This nation has slid so far left over the last eight years it's difficult to list all the problems that have been created and ignored.

Conservatism doesn't sell because we don't have any salesmen in our showroom.  And voting McCain salesman of the year isn't going to change that.  It will solidify the problem for decades to come.

[dennisw]

The ONLY option is for the Alcoholic to hit bottom and crash completely. Then and only then is a recovery even remotely possible. The economy and the American way of life must be severely changed an put in jeopardy for the American public to wake up from it’s coma.

A severe recession or depression and large scale terrorism on US soil will get the American people out of fantasy land. We need some hard economic choices where there is a rebellion against overpaid bureaucrats on all levels and rebellion at Al Gore type schemes. Where Americans demand illegal aliens be sent packing berceuse they are stealing jobs and depressing wages. There are a lot more examples of what is accepted now but not accepted during a severe recession and with domestic terrorism

Kansas just turned down a coal fired plant. When you see rebellion over such economy crippling decisions then you will know the American people are coming to their senses

[dennisw]

I think you will probably vote McCain when it comes down to McCain or Hussein in November

[DoughtyOne]

With Obama in office, the Republican party will have to do some self-assessment and regroup. That will not happen if McCain wins.

With Obam in office, the Republicans will realize that Conservatives do count. They will move back toward sound policy.

If it ever gets out that McCain type Republicans can get elected ignoring, in fact insulting Conservatives openly, it will be the end of our nation.

Vote for the guy if you think you must, but don’t you ever tie me to the calamity that follows. I reject what you folks are doing with every fiber of my being. I won’t be voting for John McCain this fall.

I am a devout Conservative and I will never put my “X” down for a liberal again.

[budwiesest]

I will never put my “X” down for a liberal again.

I worry at the way the stage is being set for a 'conservative' third party. Wonder who the Xlinton's have chosen to play the part of H. Ross Perot? (These crooks is good).