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The Clintons' Coal-Gate (WHY WE WILL NEVER BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT)
Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 23, 2008 | IBD

Posted on 03/21/2008 7:13:04 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet

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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

A great reminder from the guys at IBD... This is one that should be brought back again and again as energy prices remain in the stratosphere. Just another of the disgusting pieces of history from the Clinton vacation from history. And just another of the cans kicked down the road that provided the foundation for his “bridge to the 21st century.” A rather shakey foundation indeed.


21 posted on 03/21/2008 9:26:57 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: WayneS

“this federal land grab was done without any consultation with the governor of Utah or any member of the Utah congressional delegation or any elected official in the state.”

THAT is why he had to stand in Arizona when he signed it.”

Not sure that is exactly true. I had heard from friends who live near Salt Lake City that Clinton had been talking to Utah members of Congress. The Utah members had heard rumblings that Clinton was planning this action, and they were demanding information and input. There were large companies ready to mine the coal- the employees had already been hired, and equipment was in place.
Clinton lied to Sen Hatch and the others right up to the last minute.
Not only did Clinton do his dirty deed on the Arizona side of the border, he did it on a holiday weekend, when he could totally blindside Utah, and in effect, the entire USA, with these coal deposits not being implemented in our quest for more energy.
I find all this ironic in more than one way. Except for nuclear power plants, almost all the electricity generated EAST of the Mississippi river is generated by coal fired plants. The Clintons use electricity that is most likely created by coal.....


22 posted on 03/21/2008 9:28:42 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Red Badger

THAT is why he had to stand in Arizona when he signed it.
With Robert REDFORD grinning like the Cheshire Cat along side.................”

Yesss... Robert Redford, another ethically challenged person whore the “environment” is concerned.
He sucessfully got regulations passed about development in and around his canyon property in Utah——AFTER his Sundance property was all developed....
Ethics...Morals... 2 words Liberals cannot even begin to understand or spell.


23 posted on 03/21/2008 9:30:46 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I missed that one... Thanks for the post!

1.7 MILLION Acres? That’s the equivalent of a square with 50 MILES on each side!


24 posted on 03/21/2008 9:35:09 AM PDT by rock_lobsta (Client #10)
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To: Red Badger

...and to think, it didn’t occur to any one to just push BOTH of them into the canyon. What a wasted opportunity.


25 posted on 03/21/2008 10:54:39 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: boomop1

“W lacks the skills of a moron, and will be remembered as one.”

It is unfortunate that someone cannot be all things to all people. Would you have been more happy if Bush was against immigration, against increased spending, for the war, against Dubai, against Meirs but was pro-choice?

Then again, based on that, while you may have liked him better, the pro-life crowd would have hated him. And if he was everything, but didn’t defend a marriage amendment someone else would have hated him.

The toughest job on the planet is being a Conservative politician.


26 posted on 03/21/2008 11:45:56 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Shouldn't the libs love a Hunter Thompson ticket in 08?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

There was a thread just this week about some imbecile’s plan to eliminate use of coal by 2050. I hope that wasn’t Algore.


27 posted on 03/21/2008 11:48:34 AM PDT by RightWhale (Clam down! avoid ataque de nervosa)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Conservative politician, you are not talking about this jerk are you?


28 posted on 03/21/2008 11:58:35 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: boomop1

I don’t think he is a jerk. Everyone knew what he was when he was elected. There was no suprises.

We wanted a strong leader in the war on terrorism, we got it. We wanted a leader who was pro-life and pro-marriage and we got it. Aside from the Meiers fiasco, we got two very strong Conservatives on the bench, which in my opinion is the most successful part of this presidency.

With a congress hellbent on spending like drunken sailors and a senate more concerned with giving the country to the UN and staying in power then working for the American people, I think Bush did pretty good.

A President cannot do it on his own as much as we think he can.


29 posted on 03/21/2008 5:42:19 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Shouldn't the libs love a Hunter Thompson ticket in 08?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Terrorism wasn't on the table when he first was elected. Now he bobs and weaves like Viet Nam instead of getting the job done. Open borders is his game which will end this country's will and constitution, a one world advocate like his old man.
30 posted on 03/21/2008 6:04:42 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: boomop1

“Terrorism wasn’t on the table when he first was elected.”

I disagree. Terrorism was huge when he took office. WTC in 93,Khobar Towers, The Cole, etc. Add Somalia in 93 and everyone knew terror had to be addressed. And he addressed it.

Open borders was a given. He was the Governor of Texas. Did anyone think that he was going to take money out of the pockets of his business buddies in Texas? It’s a bit naive to think differently. Did congress put a strong anti-immigration bill on his desk? Did he veto it?

IIRC and please correct me if I am wrong, congress put a bill in front of the President for a fence and he signed that. Aside from him going down there and building the fence himself, what else could he do?


31 posted on 03/22/2008 7:19:38 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Shouldn't the libs love a Hunter Thompson ticket in 08?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; backhoe
This thread wouldn't be complete without backhoe's invaluable Coalgate linkapalooza...

That Trillion-Dollar Ripoff-- Clinton's Utah Coal Deal

32 posted on 03/22/2008 7:24:46 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

What did Bush do? Go along with justice and the homo ACLU which got us 911. That’s all keep your head in the sand, I will hear no more of your BS.


33 posted on 03/22/2008 7:26:47 AM PDT by boomop1
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What did Bush do? Go along with justice and the homo ACLU which got us 911.

Sooo... you're saying President Bush caused queers to fly jets into buildings?

That's a new one.

34 posted on 03/22/2008 7:29:00 AM PDT by humblegunner (™)
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To: humblegunner
You don't get it either. The ACLU (homo infested) supported the towel head rights to not be investigated or profiled and they are still at it DH.
35 posted on 03/22/2008 7:34:55 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: mewzilla
Thankee, M'am!


36 posted on 03/22/2008 8:44:15 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

While this and of itself does not rise to the single reason we will not ever achieve energy self-sufficiency, it is symptomatic of what we face should any “serious effort” be made to achieve same—which just ain’t happening.

Between the stranglehold which the EnviroNuts enjoy with near unparalleled success in applying veto-power over any attempt to extricate our precarious position thru new developments; coupled with bought-and-paid-for Pols and others too timid to confront or oppose them (can anyone say “BUSH?”) we stand little chance of seeing any relief in the foreseeable future.
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Well said. Thanks for the article.


37 posted on 03/24/2008 3:17:39 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I agree that there is plenty of potential energy out there. It’s all a matter of the political will to tell the tree-huggers to take a hike. My fear is that won’t happen until Americans are confronted with hard times and tragedy.


38 posted on 03/25/2008 5:56:25 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Dr. Thorne
Just reading the article "New Limits to Growth Revive Malthusian Fears," from yesterday's WSJ.
I tend to side with those who believe the higher market prices will drive us toward substitutes. Whale oil got to be too expensive 170 years ago so some one came up with kerosene.
39 posted on 03/25/2008 6:08:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I hope you are right. But, it seems that currently we are a liquid fuel economy. Retooling that economy to provide transportation for 300 million people and countless goods, that currently travel in cars, trucks and airplanes that require petroleum based liquid fuel, will take a decade.


40 posted on 03/26/2008 6:43:28 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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