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To: GAB-1955

“Eisenhower decided it was not worth American blood to take a city due to fall under Russian occupation.”

What a bunch of BS - The germans would have gladly surrendered to Patton had Eisehower and Roosevelt not already decided to hold Patton back and give half of western civilizaition away to the communists.

Patton could have taken the last two nukes and saved us 50 years of cold war and whatever else Putin is going to do in Syria.

Eisenhower was a traitor.


11 posted on 03/16/2008 11:32:47 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

You consider Romania, Bulgaria, etc. to be “western” countries? You can make the argument about Poland and Czechslovakia, but the other countries are more difficult to categorize.


12 posted on 03/16/2008 11:35:58 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: spanalot

The decision, as you have noted in your post, was beyond Eisenhower’s. It was Roosevelt’s. Calling Eisenhower a traitor indicates a severe ignorance of American history and is a slander on a good soldier.


14 posted on 03/16/2008 11:36:41 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven!)
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To: spanalot
Eisenhower was a traitor.

It was Roosevelt selling out Eastern Europe to the Soviets. Your comments are evidence of utter ignorance and idiocy.

20 posted on 03/16/2008 11:46:40 AM PDT by SolidWood (All conservative effort into retaking Congress!)
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To: spanalot
Patton could have taken the last two nukes and saved us 50 years of cold war...

The two nukes we had left over after Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

34 posted on 03/16/2008 12:17:34 PM PDT by decimon
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To: spanalot
"Eisenhower was a traitor."

Finally went back to your post, which I apparently missed ENTIRELY.

No, he wasn't a traitor. Stalin hated the Germans (remember the Hapsburg Empire, which subjugated Russia for years; RUSSIA hated the Germans). Read WWII military history. Yeah, he had personality conflicts with Patton but DID NOT consciously GIVE half of Western civilization to ANYONE. We were fighting the Japanese AND the Nazis AND Italy. Because of Japanese Naval capacity, and the pressing need to develop and strengthen not only our own naval power but our burgeoning Naval Intelligence department, we were pouring most of our resources into Navy and the Air Force (aircraft carriers, only way to fight the Japanese) He did the best he could, given ALL the circumstances. The Allies NEEDED Russia on Germany's Eastern flank. It would have taken much longer to win otherwise, and our losses were ALREADY horrendous...or victory may not have happened at all.

37 posted on 03/16/2008 12:25:52 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama looks, walks and talks like a racist pig...)
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To: spanalot
What a bunch of BS - The germans would have gladly surrendered to Patton had Eisehower and Roosevelt not already decided to hold Patton back and give half of western civilizaition away to the communists.

Patton could have taken the last two nukes and saved us 50 years of cold war and whatever else Putin is going to do in Syria.

Eisenhower was a traitor.

Eisenhower was not a traitor. The decision on partitioning Europe was ultimately made (or at least agreed to) by Roosevelt, the President and Commander in Chief.

Eisenhower, or any other General for that matter, was no more empowered to defy the Commander in Chief than any of GWB's military leaders are today.

Civilian control of the Armed Forces is not a new idea.

Eastern Europe was indeed served up to the Soviets, but the serving was done by FDR.

42 posted on 03/16/2008 12:34:27 PM PDT by TontoKowalski
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The last months of the war saw the highest rates of dead and wounded amongst Americans. So, I don't know where this notion of Nazi's skipping and swing arms to surrender to Americans comes from.

The Soviets in and near Berlin lost something like 100,000 killed.

48 posted on 03/16/2008 1:06:28 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: spanalot
Eisenhower was a traitor.

Are you an idiot, or do you merely sound like one?

108 posted on 03/17/2008 6:14:11 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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