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It's hardly a "chilling effect" to have people who are here illegally leaving.

It'll be interesting to see what the ESOL enrollment numbers are next fall as a lot of illegal alien parents are probably waiting for the school year to finish up before moving on.

The numbers are staggering, really. 12k ESOL students in PWC alone, and the Feds expect us to believe that there are a mere 20 million illegal aliens in the US.

Between the ESOL and newspaper layoffs the unemployment rate is getting out of hand.

I was going to include bankers but the finance types get laid off by one firm and rehired by another.

When did the taxpayers of Price William Co. vote to educate Mexico’s children? Texas has been doing that for years on the backs of Texas taxpayers. No, it hasn’t improved the schools or society, but it certainly has hiked property taxes, our method of financing government schools.

This is good news. We need to keep them constantly running by strictly enforcing our existing immigration laws. Eventually they will give up and go home. Law enforcement should also go after anyone who aids or abets illegal immigrants by using the following portion of the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act. Per the law:

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens Enforcement RICO —Citizen Recourse Tax Crimes Comment

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

· assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or · encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or · knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions. ·

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an illegal alien for a fee, knowing the illegal alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an illegal alien knowing that the illegal alien is unauthorized to work.

It is unlawful to hire any individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. "Day laborers" or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verification of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the illegal alien labor.

The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

It is illegal for nonprofit or religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist illegal aliens. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any illegal alien who is in the United States in violation of law. Harboring means any conduct that tends to substantially facilitate an alien to remain in the U.S. illegally. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien's entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging" includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the illegal alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.

Comment:

A comment and a published quote by Robert Gaffney, Attorney and County Executive of Suffolk County, LI, NY:

The statutory foundation of United States immigration law has always been the jurisdiction of the federal government, Congress and the federal courts. The preeminent laws concerning the employment of illegal aliens are found in the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. §~ 1101-1503), as amended by the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 CIRCA).

The law states it is a crime to assist an illegal alien who lacks employment authorization by referring him to an employer, or by acting as his or her employer, or as an agent for an employer. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(1)(A) (Lexis 1997). Furthermore, it is unlawful to hire an individual for employment without complying with the employment eligibility requirements for every person hired. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(l)(B) (Lexis 1997). Moreover, conduct tending substantially to facilitate illegal aliens remaining in the United States illegally, where there is knowledge or a reckless disregard of an illegal alien s unlawful status, is a crime, with escalating penalties, encompassed within the provisions of 1324. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324(a)(l)(A)(iii) (Lexis 1997); United States v. Kim. 193 F-3d 567 (2d Cir. 1999), are considered employees for purposes of immigration law.

No, the Feds would have you believe there are “only” 12 million “undocumented workers” in the country.

Will W’s presidential library in Dallas become a sanctuary for illegals?

These illegal immigrants are very prone to rumors. Spanish language TV has loads of “immigration” coverage and whips up hysteria. This country treats illegal aliens with kid gloves and that isn’t enough

So a rumor of deportations sweeps this gossip prone and ignorant community and they skip ESOL classes and other activities where they think “La Migra” is spying on them

Hey! Kenny! Count your lucky stars!

Just think how much better those schools will do now that they can switch the ESOL funds to the rest of the school. After all, doesn't the NEA and its local affiliates always complain that the number-one problem with education in this country is funding?

You'd think they'd be shouting for joy that rather than spending precious funds on people who are here illegally — and probably NOT paying the same property taxes that legal citizens pay, which is where most eduction funds come from — they now have more money to spend on the rest of their curriculum.

Prince William County's crackdown on illegal immigration could be having a chilling effect in some local schools.

Will that chilling effect accrue to the benefit of the taxpayers who bankroll the handouts to the trespassers?

I hear that the NOVAIISL (Northern Virginia Illegal Immigrant Soccer League) has already cancelled their season. Apparently Team Honduras of Manassas and others have gone home. Adios.

That’s 600 less free lunches. That’s about 20 less teachers on the payroll. That’s about 473,492 less office referrals and detentions the school has to deal with. That makes for a much safer learning environment for the other students. The only thing “chilling” is that the majority haven’t left.

“We are always concerned when there’s anything that would create an apparent anomaly like this, a drop in enrollment.”

Of course you are concerned. Fewer students means less money you receive for your school.

It never was about the students, it’s always about the bureaucracy and the jobs for life.

Now, the enforcement of immigration laws is costing Americans their teaching jobs. Good, honest, hardworking American ESOL teachers will be losing their jobs due to this crackdown. How tragic...

Patiently waiting for the next round of "It's Bush's Fault!"

“We are always concerned when there's anything that would create an apparent anomaly like this, a drop in enrollment.”

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Yep! I bet they are concerned about a drop in teachers’ jobs, dropping NEA enrollment and dues, and the drop in funding that comes with each of those 600 students.

Ok...Now that these kids are gone, how about giving the taxpayers their money back!

Blackstone says the school system does not know the immigration status of any of the withdrawn students. Federal law prohibits school systems from asking.
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They dont know ???

Here’s a hint...

REAL immigrants would not be leaving...

They are here LEGALLY..

The students who are leaving are ILLEGAL ALIENS...

Class dismissed...

..”Its hardly a ‘chilling effect’ to have people who are here illegally leaving.”

or forcing their children to integrated for fear of being “noticed”

Perhaps, the schools ESOL program can be dried up completely and the taxpayers be given back their funds, etc.

All eyes should now turn to Fairfax, adjacent to PW County.

PW County became popular because real estate was cheaper there than in Fairfax County, but there were no particular moves in Fairfax to put the pressure on illegals. Just plain old economics. The develoments in PW County might once again put the pressure back on Fairfax as illegals look for new places to live.

That’ll be very interesting, because the Fairfax government has a nearly-schizophrenic fondness for Arlington County style Democrat thinking, but an extraordinarily high LEGAL immigrant population which I don’t think is very happy with the illegals.

Loudon County voted in a new Democrat county council last fall, and one of their first moves was to kill all of the anti-illegal enforcement proposals.

So where are the illegals gonna’ go over the next year? That’s the big question. I predict that Fairfax and Looudon will soon be revisiting the issue, and they’ll eventually have to make some wrenching changes in the manner of Prince William.

Chilling, Oh my, Taxpayers should be celebrating and cheering the good news. Of course the NEA will be very very unhappy. The loss of teachers with no students will be a big blow to these unions. Why are the school taxes so high? Look not further you have the answer right here. Amen.

In the U.S., English should be numero uno!