The real assault on science

WorldNetDaily ^ | 10 Mar 2008 | Vox Day

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

The bizarre propositions of equalitarianism always sound harmless and amusing at first because they are so absurd. What the rational observer often fails to understand, however, is that these propositions don't sound the least bit absurd to the equalitarian proponent because the average equalitarian is fundamentally an intellectual cave-dweller with no more interest in reason or capacity for logical thought than a hungry kitten. The idea of biology classes being taught by lesbian professors who believe that heterosexual procreation is a myth or calculus courses being taught by women who can't do long division may sound impossible today, but tell that to any software developer, and he'll be able to provide you with plenty of current examples of computer science engineers, some with advanced CS degrees, who have no idea how to even begin writing a computer program.

[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

VD manages to slam both the atheists and the feminists at one time. Two for the price of one!

[Resolute Conservative]

We have one here. No classic education and doesn’t understand theory. Just a code slinger.

[Sioux-san]

As the mother of a 27 year old young man, I have long been concerned about the wussification of our Society. It is really hard to fight the whole culture, but Vox does a good job trying. We need more people like him and Mike Adams to get out there and expose the gross underbelly of the feminist crazies without fear or trepidation. Come on, Guys - go for it! We need you back in the game...

[BubbaBasher]

And so, in the not-too-distant future, two plus two will finally be determined to equal five if a women feels that it should, or at least it will as long as she happens to feel that way.

Ouch!

[allmendream]

Most Scientists in the U.S.A. are Christian.

And we need more women in Science. Send more women immediately! Well Trained, hard working, and hopefully good looking women. We need more. We have lots, but can always use more.

That being said, quotas are stupid. And if women are discriminated against in academia it is discrimination mostly perpetuated BY women (most teachers are women) and apparently they don't do a very good job of it (women get higher grades, more go on to college, and more are awarded degrees; despite them not testing as well for ‘intelligence’).

[wbill]

I'm in IT, and I know plenty of "code slingers". Even more people that are "computer techs", but understand little more than how to run the OS.

I blame the job market, and the testing environment propagated by Microsoft, Cisco, et al. Without sounding TOO much like an old codger, I can remember when you had to understand how a computer worked to program it, and even more so to repair them.

Now, Microsoft is spitting out Engineers by the thousand. Some are sharp, sure, but many just have a good understanding of how to take tests. I interviewed one "instant Engineer" that went to a boot camp to get his Certification. Fine and Dandy - but when I started quizzing him about computers it was obvious that he would have a hard time recognizing one. Furthermore, I asked him about the internet - he was "Familiar with it, but hadn't been on it yet."

Thus, everyone posting here at FR is more qualified than this putz. He DOES have the all-powerful Microsoft cert though, and will be able to use it to bluff his way past some uninformed HR person.

Anyhoo - the point to my rant, if there is one, is that while equality-at-any-cost feminists are certainly doing their part to destroy science, industry isn't helping any.

Finally, if I may be so bold, in looking at the average business - observe closely who's doing what. For now at least, if you look at any company, there aren't too many equality-at-any-cost feminists at the sharp end of the stick. They're all in nice safe places like HR, Marketing, and Corporate Training - where they can't do too much damage, and where the execs can point at them and say "See How Diverse We Are!!".

When things go south (tech stuff, sales, etc) execs just want the problem fixed and don't CARE about the touchy-feely stuff. I don't think that I've ever met a C-level exec who said "Wow! Our Sales are down, but isn't it great that our sales force is Muticultural!!!". Nope - they just do what it takes to keep the revenue coming in, and don't care if the people are male or female, black, white or green.

[Lx]

You’re correct about the paper MCSEs, which actually started out as paper CNEs. Having taking both tracks AND as a Cisco CCNP, I can say that the Cisco test is hard compared to Microsoft. Hell, if troytec is still in business, just go there to get the answers.

[wbill]

Hell, if troytec is still in business, just go there to get the answers. ...exactly.

I'm not saying that everyone who HAS a cert is useless. Unfortunately, in a lot of cases when on a job hunt, they're a necessary evil to have to get past HR.

I'm just saying that the certificate itself - for those people "in the know" - is useless. When interviewing, people throw a whole lot of acronyms at me and I always say "Well, that's nice. But what do you REALLY know?".

FWIW - I picked up a couple of tests back in the days of NT4. Haven't had to bother with anything else, luckily.

[wbill]

Also, congrats on the Cisco cert. From what I’ve heard, that’s one of the few left that are worth something. Is a full-day practical still a part of the test?

[doc30]

Looks like an editorial on this FR post:

Why Can’t a Woman Be More Like a Man [Science and Title IX]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1983786/posts?page=45#45

Which was written by a woman, for any gender bean counters out there.

[magslinger]

Finally, if I may be so bold, in looking at the average business - observe closely who's doing what. For now at least, if you look at any company, there aren't too many equality-at-any-cost feminists at the sharp end of the stick. They're all in nice safe places like HR, Marketing, and Corporate Training - where they can't do too much damage, and where the execs can point at them and say "See How Diverse We Are!!".

I think you also pointed out a couple of other problems in the system, and maybe those places aren't as safe as they think?

[DelphiUser]

I hear you:





I like to ask potential programmers to give me a real world example of inheritance...

I also like to ask for a practical example of Multiple inheritance, the answers can be very funny, as well as informative of their real "understanding" of the subject.

Who says interviewing can't be fun, then there's the whiteborad sized true false question with hundreds of parenthesis that ends with ") and False".

I got more, and if you can answer the questions correctly, I don't care what color you are, you're hired.

[wbill]

maybe those places aren't as safe as they think?

Potentially, but by "safe" I really meant "someplace where they can't do too much damage to the company" along with "someplace where not very much of critical import will be expected of them". The phrase 'Mostly Harmless' comes to mind.

For instance, I worked in a place that measured the cost of unscheduled mainframe downtime at $250K / hour. There wasn't any such thing as a small mistake there, and there certainly wasn't time to sit around, discuss the situation in committee, and come up with a game plan when there was a problem. Meanwhile, I'm currently - right this second - reading the 3rd Recall EMail notice from our HR person where she screwed up sending out the date on some class or other.

There aren't too many senior engineers (who are trusted with anything, lol) that are equal opportunity hires. And, I'd add that of those I've worked with who could be considered equal-opportunity hires - they would be very, very upset if one were to suggest they got to where they are in any other way than on their qualifications. The lady on our server team, for instance, works as hard or harder than everyone else and would stick a pencil in the back of your head just for thinking she didn't belong there. And she'd be right.

Dunno how much time you've spent in business, but really, all HR and training do is implement excutive initiatives. For a while, I naively thought that HR was my advocate. HA! Not hardly.

[wbill]

I was recently interviewing some people for an entry-level Help Desk Position (I'm the "technical" part of the interview....lol). We got some real pistols, but my currect fav was the one who said "Hi, I'm calling about the F'ing interview?"

I don't get caught speechless very often, but this was one of those times. She (it was a girl, strangely enough) also comment that she "Liked to work on Computers and Shit". I wondered if she took them in the bathroom with her, or just let go right at her desk.

Needless to say, she didn't get the job. Mentioned the interview to a friend and his comment was that she must've been on unemployment, needed to have an interview to keep it, and just threw the interview. If so, that was a good way to do it. LOL!

I'm glad that I don't do as much hiring as I used to (my current company keeps me locked away on projects more and more). I have a hard time suffering fools.

BTW, the "certification" cartoon was posted in the server room at my old company. That, and the "Reorg Boots" series. Classics.

[magslinger]

My point is that no matter where you put the people who were hired for what they are, not their ability, are harming the companies they work for. I'm thinking of one person in particular that my company keeps trying to find a job for that can't be screwed up. No success. And if you suggested that person was an equal opportunity hire, you'd get a pencil through the eye, and you would be the one fired.

[TASMANIANRED]

Writes well and I enjoy reading him. Strange hair...

[wbill]

Sounds like this particular person needs to be let go. Of course that's easier said than done. There are ways - I've seen the self termination....make the job unpleasant enough so that they leave. Or, just look for the first companywide layoff opportunity. That happened at one of my previous jobs - they laid off (or early retired) several thousand workers. There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the local media, but for IT at least, it was an excellent way to trim a ton of overpriced deadwood that needed to find a new job, anyway.

Got a buddy who took a gov't job, and had a person foisted on him that sounds like the guy in your company. The person couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.....

Buddy went to his supervisor and said "What can I do? This fool needs to be gotten rid of." Supervisor said (quote) "It would be faster to go down to this idiot's cubicle, shoot him, do the jail time and come back, rather than go through the firing process."

So....my buddy did the same thing that happened to him - foisted him off on the next sucker, er, new manager, to come in the door.

Your tax dollars hard at work.

[wintertime]

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[SunkenCiv]

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